Changes to WoF system announced

[Banditbandit]

Current system wastes time and money, the change will waste less.

Right there we do not agree ... we will only find out who is wrong and who is right when the number of accidents and road deaths increase ... or not ... you are gambling people's lives that you are right .. I'm not prepared to make that gamble ..

Now cue all the anecdotal and hypotheticals about little johny getting run down by some muppet with dodgy shocks and brakes which happens so often in every other country they are flocking to emulate this very effective world leading but on just frequent enough wof system NZ has bravely pioneered

See ... that's a '20,000 blowflies can't be wrong' type of argument ...

PS ... are you sure ... right now, today, that your vehicle/s would pass an insurance company check that it is road worthy and that an insurance company will pay out ??? If such a test was required???

[bogan]

Right there we do not agree ... we will only find out who is wrong and who is right when the number of accidents and road deaths increase ... or not ... you are gambling people's lives that you are right .. I'm not prepared to make that gamble ..



See ... that's a '20,000 blowflies can't be wrong' type of argument ...

PS ... are you sure ... right now, today, that your vehicle/s would pass an insurance company check that it is road worthy and that an insurance company will pay out ??? If such a test was required???

Actually, its a 'there is data from other countries, so argue that instead of the numberless what-ifs and I've seens' argument, don't you think if NZ was better off at 6month wofs, MTA would have presented this data as evidence to the fact?

What an insurance company check? If its anything like a wof, then my stickers say they will

[Katman]

Actually, its a 'there is data from other countries, so argue that instead of the numberless what-ifs and I've seens' argument,

Even data from other countries isn't much use to your argument.

Have you ever been to Germany?

80% of the vehicles sitting in their wrecking yards would probably still be being used on New Zealand roads. We seem to have a penchant for driving old shitters.

[bogan]

Even data from other countries isn't much use to your argument.

Have you ever been to Germany?

80% of the vehicles sitting in their wrecking yards would probably still be being used on New Zealand roads. We seem to have a penchant for driving old shitters.

Makes lot more of a convincing argument than anything else I've heard on the subject though.

Btw, you don't have to find a perfect match for NZ, you could just compare similar countries with different types of wof systems.

[bluninja]

PS ... are you sure ... right now, today, that your vehicle/s would pass an insurance company check that it is road worthy and that an insurance company will pay out ??? If such a test was required???

Even if you were driving a shitter without a WOF and insurance company would have to pay out (eventually) if the failures were not a direct or contributory cause of the accident. ie your brake lights don't work and you t-bone someone who drives out in front of you.

[huff3r]

Because that's the way the world is ... and wishing it otherwise or suggesting it should be otherwise will NOT make it otherwise ... teenage pregancy proves that .. "Teenage girls chould not get pregnant" .. I agree .. reality is different!!!

Except... it's a lot easier to sell a car you can't afford to keep, than to sell a baby! That's a bit of a stupid comparison. Owning and operating a vehicle is a privilege, if you can't afford it, then don't!

Saying people need cars they can't afford is like saying people need the ciggies they have to sacrifice their entire benefit for every week...

[Katman]

Btw, you don't have to find a perfect match for NZ, you could just compare similar countries with different types of wof systems.

Even Australia's system isn't comparable.

There, the authorities have the threat of having your vehicle put 'over the pits'. If a cop deems your vehicle to be unroadworthy it's not just a little fine. The hassle involved in taking your vehicle 'over the pits' is sufficient to encourage most over there to pay particular attention to the safety of their vehicle.

Are you looking forward to cops becoming roadside vehicle inspectors here?

[Ocean1]

Unfortunately, the proof will come now ... when they are more accidents ..

So NZ is different to everywhere else that doesn't have WoFs? 'Cause their accident stat's are no worse.

So tell me .. what is wrong with the current system .. and how wil the change make it better ??? (I've heard John Key say it will save people money .. that's all ... a bullshit neo-liberal excuse ... )

The very same thing that's wrong with most of the other systems around here: The people who want the "service" aren't the ones paying for it.

But you do get points for slipping in "neo-liberal", leme see, now that makes your arguement worth... well look at that: Fuck all.

[bogan]

Even Australia's system isn't comparable.

There, the authorities have the threat of having your vehicle put 'over the pits'. If a cop deems your vehicle to be unroadworthy it's not just a little fine. The hassle involved in taking your vehicle 'over the pits' is sufficient to encourage most over there to pay particular attention to the safety of their vehicle.

Are you looking forward to cops becoming roadside vehicle inspectors here?

Try thinking less about how comparable it is to NZ's current way of doing things, and instead focus on how well it affects road safety. And yes, I'd prefer cops doing roadside inspections than have to waste my time and money every 6 months.

[Katman]

And yes, I'd prefer cops doing roadside inspections than have to waste my time and money every 6 months.

Be careful what you wish for.

I can see far more revenue going to the government due to these new changes than ever went to vehicle inspection agencies.

[bogan]

Be careful what you wish for.

I can see far more revenue going to the government due to these new changes than ever went to vehicle inspection agencies.

I was assuming they would only give a fine for non compliance, not charge an inspection fee for every vehicle stopped

[imdying]

I was assuming they would only give a fine for non compliance, not charge an inspection fee for every vehicle stopped

Possibly you'd be better off paying when you were stopped, otherwise you'll be paying your portion of every inspection through their agents wages.

[Banditbandit]

What an insurance company check? If its anything like a wof, then my stickers say they will

Read my previous post ... currently insurance companies largely rely on a current WOF (they only neded to see it for my last claim .. and do no other ispection of the bike ...) But with these changes the insurance compaies MAY do their own post-accident inspection, looking for "contributing factors" - lookign for reasons not to pay out because a vehicle is not road worthy ...

Your current "stickers" are OK .. but if insurance companies do their own post-accident checks .. then are you sure your vehicle will "pass" and therefore get paid out by your insurance company?

If I was working in insurance I would certainly be looking at this issue - and lookign to write into policy clauses about vehicles maintained to a proper standard ... and would be doing post-accident checks on all vehicle claims ... (one blown light bulb and you don't get a pay out ...)

[Banditbandit]

Even if you were driving a shitter without a WOF and insurance company would have to pay out (eventually) if the failures were not a direct or contributory cause of the accident. ie your brake lights don't work and you t-bone someone who drives out in front of you.

Really ?? I want to be insured by thesame company as you - my policies all say the vehicles must have current rego and wof ...

[Banditbandit]

Except... it's a lot easier to sell a car you can't afford to keep, than to sell a baby! That's a bit of a stupid comparison. Owning and operating a vehicle is a privilege, if you can't afford it, then don't!

Saying people need cars they can't afford is like saying people need the ciggies they have to sacrifice their entire benefit for every week...

Huh ?? What ??? Did I say something about owning cars you can't afford?

Even if I did .. you are trying to make a case based on the way the world should be - not the way it is .. Babies or cars .. unimportant .. People are trying to argue from the way the world shoudl be .. not the way it is !!!

Get off the grass and look at the way the world actually is ..