Changes to WoF system announced

**Ocean1** · 28th January 2013, 18:58

Originally Posted by FJRider

So what you are saying ... is although faults ARE being found ... there is no proof the faults found may have caused accidents in the future ... if they were NOT found ... ???

I would find that hard to believe ... and prove. Considering it would take many years without a WoF system to prove that. (at least in the statistics)

Not only are the faults found not measurably preventing accidents; the stat's prove they don't. There's been a metric shitload of reports commissioned on the topic, most of theose reference Aussie and US states where the only difference across a border is a WoF. Same demographics, same culture, same fleet age, same urban/rural split... same accident and fatality rates.

Even that report I posted slid off the very numbers it referenced and fell back to what it called "roadworthyness". And that had no effect on accidents either.

Originally Posted by bogan

There's also no way to prove they wouldn't be found and fixed if the wof system wasn't there.

Or you could just get stats from other parts of the world...

You don't need to prove whether a hypothetical fault may have cause an accident, you just need to make the comparisons the above studies have. No measurable difference.

**imdying** · 28th January 2013, 18:58

Originally Posted by bogan

There's also no way to prove they wouldn't be found and fixed if the wof system wasn't there.

I could give you circumstantial evidence, in the form of disc rotors with pads eating into the disc rotor internal vents, replaced not until the car towing its caravan to the Picton ferry from lower Canterbury smoked enough to look like the wheel was on fire

Tell me, how does one not hear what must have been quite a few thousand kilometres of violent griding noises? Of course, they will have heard it... and maybe the only slightly crazy would take a car in that state to the dairy... but what sort of fuckwit tries tow a caravan six hundred kms with it? These are the people a no WOF reality will leave to their own devices. Fun times

**imdying** · 28th January 2013, 19:01

Originally Posted by bogan

Well, when you put it like that, we better make sure there is a lot of random checks if the wof system is ever abandoned

That would be worth investigating. Perhaps it would be cheaper to administer it that way. If you can get the same outcome for less dollars, I'm not opposed. Collections is doing their best to whack away at defaulters, but you can't get blood out of a stone. In that case any vehicle being found not to comply should be impounded on the spot?

**Katman** · 28th January 2013, 19:02

Originally Posted by bogan

yet another example of just how brilliantly the wof system is working

Exactly - the WOF process picked a fault that was being deliberately hidden.

**Ocean1** · 28th January 2013, 19:02

Originally Posted by imdying

I could give you circumstantial evidence, in the form of disc rotors with pads eating into the disc rotor internal vents, replaced not until the car towing its caravan to the Picton ferry from lower Canterbury smoked enough to look like the wheel was on fire

Tell me, how does one not hear what must have been quite a few thousand kilometres of violent griding noises? Of course, they will have heard it... and maybe the only slightly crazy would take a car in that state to the dairy... but what sort of fuckwit tries tow a caravan six hundred kms with it? These are the people a no WOF reality will leave to their own devices. Fun times

Did it have a WoF?

**bogan** · 28th January 2013, 19:06

Originally Posted by imdying

I could give you circumstantial evidence, in the form of disc rotors with pads eating into the disc rotor internal vents, replaced not until the car towing its caravan to the Picton ferry from lower Canterbury smoked enough to look like the wheel was on fire

Tell me, how does one not hear what must have been quite a few thousand kilometres of violent griding noises? Of course, they will have heard it... and maybe the only slightly crazy would take a car in that state to the dairy... but what sort of fuckwit tries tow a caravan six hundred kms with it? These are the people a no WOF reality will leave to their own devices. Fun times

I can just imagine the conversation taking place in that vehicle

passenger: whats that noise?
driver: not too sure mate, but she'll be right
passenger: are you sure, it sounds pretty serious
driver: looks to passenger, looks to windscreen, taps on wof sticker; mate, she's right as rain, got another two months on this baby

Originally Posted by imdying

That would be worth investigating. Perhaps it would be cheaper to administer it that way. If you can get the same outcome for less dollars, I'm not opposed. Collections is doing their best to whack away at defaulters, but you can't get blood out of a stone. In that case any vehicle being found not to comply should be impounded on the spot?

Depends on the defect I reckon, smaller ones just a fine should do.

Originally Posted by Katman

Exactly - the WOF process picked a fault that was being deliberately hidden.

But how many times had it been successfully deliberately hidden before?

**R650R** · 28th January 2013, 19:09

Originally Posted by caspernz

As a non logging truck driver I object to that statement, there's plenty of other types of trucks running around with safety defects that would scare the bejeesus out of a few KB members...

Ones I know of:

Turntable seperating from tractor unit while truck loading at coolstore
Cracked steerer wheel rim, discovered by tyre changer
Cracked/Broken chassis rail discovered during loading
Swap partner bringing set of trailers with no brakes at all fully loaded halfway to auckland - management "its ok its just for tonight" same shit for three more nights...
Major chassis cracks in critical assorted places
Sheared turntable mount bolts just sitting there by gravity alone.
Leaking retarder systems spraying hydraulic fluid over roadway.
NON wof/cof condition scalloped steer tyres reversed to "even out the wear mate, that'll fix it" wrong...

And those are just the ones off the top of my head...

**_Shrek_** · 28th January 2013, 19:13

we have 5 trailers, 1 4x4, three utes, 4 motor bikes on WOF & 1 truck on a COF, the way I read it is that once your vehicle reaches 13yo it's back to 6 monthly, this suits me & Mrs S coz it will save us a few bucks, & as a WOF/COF is only as good as the day it was put on, it is still up to the individual to see the vehicle/s is up to standard at all times,

our old truck passed a COF & my brake lights stopped working the next day due to a micro switch ie: no longer up to COF standard get it fixed asap

the way I see it average jo citizen will keep the cars, bikes etc... up to standard but the tossers that don't do it now an't going to do it when it comes in

& the local

are going to have more shit dumped on their plate, & told there are going to be less staff to do it with

**Katman** · 28th January 2013, 19:17

Originally Posted by bogan

But how many times had it been successfully deliberately hidden before?

Who fucking cares?

The fault was picked up by the WOF process.

**Nova.** · 28th January 2013, 19:18

More emphasis should be put on training people to know what to look for in regards to car safety, I'm still amazed at the amount of people that don't know how to check their oil

**Katman** · 28th January 2013, 19:20

Originally Posted by Nova.

I'm still amazed at the amount of people that don't know how to check their oil

Or change a car wheel for the spare - (males included).

**bogan** · 28th January 2013, 19:27

Originally Posted by Katman

Who fucking cares?

The fault was picked up by the WOF process.

I would think anyone concerned with road safety would care about how many times dodgy road users have kludged dodgy vehicles to get a wof. But if you're more concerned with telling us all how good a wof tester you are, by all means go on, I'll just be off looking for some silly hats