Auto oiler, you're turning into my arch nemesis!

[willytheekid]

Oh admit it, you love taking things apart and cleaning them

...yes I do!

[willytheekid]

I had a bike with a Scott Oiler once. Pain in the arse. I had someone look at it, and they said someone had run something in it other than the proper "Scott Oil", and it had damaged the seals. The result was problems like you describe.

So +1 to Toto. If you are going to invest in something as expensive as a Scott Oiler, don't whimp out on buying the proper oil. It's not that expensive, and lasts a long time. Also note that they make two different kinds of Scott Oil for different temperatures.

.....Once again, please "READ" the posts before "contributing".


..."The result was problems like you describe"

Ahhhh, not quite! (mine is the drip rate changed "the next day"...after I had carefully tested and set it-A common problem with these units...Im fussy and want to know why the unit has done this, and what I should re-check)...If your one had blown seals, then no dought the unit would have dripped at rest (mine dosn't...and I even pressure tested it to check the seals...told ya im fussy) and yours would have "grossely" over oiled when in use (slightly different symptom to mine)

And once again...if you actualy READ the post...you will see that MOST users source an alternative oil due to cost and availability etc(at over $40 per Ltr...to lube a chain!...it IS expensive as far as ANY oil goes)...and the oil I have carefully choosen, has been tested, and confirmed by many...MANY! Scottoiler user's all around the world, and it is considered to be EXACTLY THE SAME AS SCOTTOIL...oil (It even has a Silicon additive due to it being used in large chainsaw's with...AUTO BAR OILER'S...or do you seriously think Scottoil MAKE there own oil?)

I have actually had these units before(Mrk1), and have tried gravity feed units as well...they are simple devices, I was just asking for possible things to re-check such as spanner spinner suggested (And I think hes right on the money...will find out this weekend...its bugger of a thing to keep removing-lines and all-hence the question, in case I have missed something)

Please, Don't take the above the wrong way...both you and Toto seem like nice KB members , but jumping on, not taking the time to fully read the posts, and then just "assuming" Im a complete idiot noob with the mechanical skills of a tomatoe!, is reallly not that helpful

...but you are right!...I am a cheap bastard!

PS: Yes I did know about the summer/winter Scottoil...oil (don't get the winter/thick type...its a nightmare to purge through the system...its a tad TOO thick for down here)

[mulletman]

Ive transfered mine between 3 bikes about 120,000kms worth with no probs at all...

[nodrog:Me]

your bike is shaft drive, problem solved.

[Kickaha]

Oh admit it, you love taking things apart

He owned a Guzzi he probably had to

[willytheekid]

He owned a Guzzi he probably had to

....its so true (but the 71 Triumph Trident was my true "mentor" )

[boman]

I had a Scotoiler on my Sv Thou, for 4 Years. Always used The Scots Oil in it. Never had a problem, with either too much oil, or blocking up. I used 1.5 bottles in that time.

I have heard of others who used different oils in it, and they all seem to have issues.

[GrayWolf]

.....Once again, please "READ" the posts before "contributing".


...but you are right!...I am a cheap bastard!


PS: Yes I did know about the summer/winter Scottoil...oil (don't get the winter/thick type...its a nightmare to purge through the system...its a tad TOO thick for down here)

Willy,
ya cheap bastard, buy the proper oil..... Hell's teeth man, Would you have put cooking oil in ya Trumpy, because it leaked out quickly? After all it didnt stay in the crankcases long enough to deteriorate much, did it?

[willytheekid]

Ok, I feel I may need to clarify a few facts.

This oiler is second hand!(And looked to be VERY well used...old)...the bike (and obviously the oiler) had sat for nearly 3yrs, the auto oiler was NOT working when I first got the bike....I have since stripped it, rebuilt it, re-mounted it and since then it has worked perfectly! (And it was in a HELL of a mess)

The problem is NOT that the unit is leaking at rest (this would mean the seals have blown!), the unit works perfectly, the only reason I posted this (and reading said post is kind of key!), was = THE DRIP RATE CHANGED DRAMATICALLY THE NEXT DAY!

Now...I don't know what mechanical standards you guys have...but me!, when I set something...and take my time in doing so...I expect it to remain set!!
..yes, im fussy!....but I want to ensure there is no chance of this unit doing the samething when Im out for a long ride...a well oiled chain is great...a well oiled TYRE!...not so great!


Personally...I think spanners is right on the money! (It was my first thought as to what to re-check...but its a bugger of a system to completely remove and check all vacume lines, feed lines, head unit and the main oil reservoir....hence the post for thoughts on things to recheck)

But i will find out this weekend (And of course post an update)



So, in regards to the "proper oil"...how about you do some research....because If you TRULY think that Scottoil MAKE there own oil!....well ***

I have spent alot of time tracking down exactly what oil they use...and I managed to find a PERFECT substitute...tested and confirmed NOT TO FUCK THE SEALS by thousands of users world wide!....so if YOU want to pay over $40 a ltr for chain oil!!...more power to ya!...me, I did my research, and I sourced a proven alternative at quarter the cost (why buy expensive oil for a second hand oiler that, at the time, may have possibly been fucked!)

But for those of you who are actually interested, heres just ONE! of the many, many links in regards to the oil testing etc :


http://www.ta-deti.de/ta/chainsaw.html


I hope this clears some facts up for you all




***(Scottoil is a company...they want to make money!...hence they buy in oil, add a colour, put it in there bottles, then on sell it at 4-5 times there investiment...its very smart actually)

[HenryDorsetCase]

mr spanner spinner kind of nailed it I reckon.

[zippy]

Did you manage to solve this yet, i have had three scotoilers, on bikes in the UK and one now on my bike here back home...never had a issue..plus i took the one i had in the UK and put it on three different bikes in my time over there...so technically made it 3rd had on my last bike over there.

I never had a issue althought i was using the original scottoil given i was buying it in uk prices and i dont do enough miles now to worry about the price here(bottle i have has lasted me 18 months)...so cant comment re using another brand thought it has already been debated here.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/ar.../t-150586.html

[FJRider]

Oh admit it, you love taking things apart and cleaning them

You will never need to fit one on "Walter"...

[nzspokes]

Anybody tried one on a trail bike? Wonder how it would work out?

[KiwiPhoenix]

You will never need to fit one on "Walter"...

Very true, but i really should check the oil in the swing arm.....

[willytheekid]

Update (Sorry for delay...been busy planning mates wedding etc)

Found the problem

...after stripping it again and finding nothing wrong with the unit, seals etc...I focused again on the rather lengthy feed tube that snakes its way from the right rear cowl to the engine, then the left hand side, and then the chain (Its far to long!...and its a bugger to prime)
After a close inspection, I found a tiny little slit in the tube...that opens up, just enough to allow in air when you wiggle the tubing!...just as it would with wind rushing through the fairing as you ride

So the problem looks like it was the excessive length of tube, filled up with chain oil, and then suddenly dumping the entire tubes contents when the little slit opened up with air pressure pushing on it

ARSE!...it had to be right in the middle of the bloody tube didn't it

So I have made a temp fix (cut tube and put a metal tube joiner in it for now)...but I think I might just rip the whole system off and relocate it closer to the actual chain! (faster to prime and less tubing snaking its way around the bike)

The unit is currently working fine, and appears to be holding the set drip rate for now

...done!