Competely noob towards all things bike

[GrayWolf]

Hey... don't bring me into this, lol. I never said I wanted to, in fact I thought I said I didn't, cause I don't. I don't have any problem with deceleration such as what was mentioned, unless of course my feet and or hands are being lazy and or are out of sync.

Settle Petal
I used your name in vain as an example,, this is a newbie thread, and as you are one of said newbie"s ? my point was/is clutchless changes are not something a complete beginner should be considering...

as you were

[GrayWolf]

If your fingers are that numb you shouldn't be riding in that weather full stop so thats an even bigger hazard. Yes its all situational but the majority of the time I don't have to wait for very long to bother with changing to neutral changing feet brake and changing to first and back. If its long yes because it does get tiring eventually. But it's palmerston north.
Everyone at some point or other will get cold finger's it's one of the facts of riding all year round. Even the best gloves when wet, will result in heat loss over an extended period of time

I'm not saying this is the ONLY way I ride. This is the way I find easiest to ride and I'm riding a cb250 not a big v twin. Again I will change if it suits but this is the smoothest way for me and using clutch between shifts at times is more a hassle than it's worth (in my eyes).

Clarification: How do you compensate for the loss of power regardless of pillion or not? I would assume if the clutch is applied, there is a loss in power regardless hence the back and forth jerkyness....Only way I can think of is using the friction point of the clutch to shift but thats effectively clutchless shifting since a botched shift will result in the same result as a bad clutchless shift
if you watch experienced pillion rider's? You'll see they all develop an almost 'snakelike' movement between hips and shoulders so their spine 'rolls' into the power or arches back slightly under braking,, you cant completely compensate for it, but any rider will know when they have an experienced pillion on board, or not.. Unless you have a 'wing etc with a backrest!

If its not a beginners option than do you think learning it on a big twin for the first time will be easier or harder? Also it doesn't require the power to be completely shut down, just enough to release the gear. I don't completely close the throttle when I change, i just release it slightly to unload the gearbox and that is sufficient enough to pop the gear up. There is the sound of the gear changing and engine note change and thats it. (mechanically I'm not completely sure how it works). It gives me the smoothest ride for me. Why in queens land would you buy a big twin when a 250cc can sustain 100kph.
if you READ what I said correctly, it isnt a technique for 'NEWBIE's' to consider IMO. There's nothing wrong with learning to perform it on a 125cc, just learn to ride in a 'standard' fashion (the basics) first before you begin to learn other methods.. an example? You dont teach acomplete novice car driver to 'heel/toe' the pedals when gear changing.. tha'ts a 'racing technique' and requires a much higher level of co-ordination.

Anyways I'll end my point there. Though I completely agree with the foot dance and rear brake. So confusing when you're not use to riding a bike!!!

Edit: The learning on a big twin only applies if you meant being a learner than changing to a bigger bike when you're qualified with abit of experience. I just had a look on the net. The clutchless shift debate is long and very very complicated with confusing mechanical explanations.

And to answer you're question?? Why do I ride a 1700cc V twin when a 250 can hold 100kph???

1) massive amount of torque... no ruddy gear changing required on hills
2) available 'roll on power' for overtaking
3) handles 'loads' better than a 250.. (2 up riding)

And Finally..... 2500rpm at 110kph

[bosslady]

Settle Petal
I used your name in vain as an example,, this is a newbie thread, and as you are one of said newbie"s ? my point was/is clutchless changes are not something a complete beginner should be considering...

as you were

You obviously havent read the KB Bible. Thou shalt not use bossladys name in vain ;-)

[Subike]

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And Finally..... 2500rpm at 110kph

Thats like traveling 1 meter for every stroke of a piston on a big v twin
as opposed to 250mm for every stroke of a piston on a 250 multi...

[TheTengTheory]

Thats like traveling 1 meter for every stroke of a piston on a big v twin
as opposed to 250mm for every stroke of a piston on a 250 multi...

yea...8500 at 110 for me But it's okay....250s are way better ( because I said so )

[Cam_NZ]

So my bike is in jeopardy of being sold already!.

Am in need of a ute for my second job, and it just isnt saving enough on gas/traffic isnt bad enough to uni to justify keeping the car and the bike. Plus im turning up drenched like a pig

Plus a mate of mine just came off his bike and broke his shoulder and hip :\

[bosslady]

So my bike is in jeopardy of being sold already!.

Am in need of a ute for my second job, and it just isnt saving enough on gas/traffic isnt bad enough to uni to justify keeping the car and the bike. Plus im turning up drenched like a pig

Plus a mate of mine just came off his bike and broke his shoulder and hip :\

If you don't want to ride and it isn't for you, then it is what it is. For me, it's much more than a commuter, in fact it isn't a commuter at all for me so I don't care that I save petrol (even though I do) because that isn't why I got my bike. I got my bike to meet people, learn something new (and for me to have a "challenge") and just to basically have a hobby. I didn't want it as a cheap way to get around and if that's all it is to you - then don't feel bad. Also don't feel bad if it isn't financially viable for you to keep a bike at the moment, food on the table is more important than a toy? I wouldn't worry about mates that get hurt though - I saw a guy get injuries that led to his death right in front of my very eyes the other day. Different set of circumstances but not something that I will let put me off.

[TheTengTheory]

If you don't want to ride and it isn't for you, then it is what it is. For me, it's much more than a commuter, in fact it isn't a commuter at all for me so I don't.......led to his death right in front of my very eyes the other day. Different set of circumstances but not something that I will let put me off.

+2 ^

Same with me for starting motorcycling. I did it as a hobby, the commuting part is just a bonus of the hobby not the reason why I got it. Right now I don't have a car in auckland. I decided not to because I couldn't afford the upkeep of both the car and the bike. I live close enough to AUT that I don't need to ride every day and only use it for weekend rides or forays around auckland for work etc. Had it purely been a commuting perspective I wouldn't have got my 6L.

Yes I do get wet when it rains but the most important thing I have is lectures and am not personally too worried if I turn up wet. It does help that I do have a topbox to store my gear in. That played a huge part in deciding to use my bike as a commuter.

You're tunnel visioning on the fact it was a motorbike accident. A friend of mine I spent a year training in the army with just died from a car accident two days ago. It's not to say you shouldn't consider the injuries and risk involved however, you should look at it with a reasonable logical perspective not one born of paranoia and fear.

[Cam_NZ]

actually the main influence is getting something to transport equipment around (prime example, a ute) and also lugging more than 2 people around. At the moment drive a tiny crx that barely has 4 seats and absolutely no boot space. And its going to be hard to do that owning a bike :P

dont worry, its not sold yet, really the only decision maker is money money money. Otherwise I would be putting kms into this badboy like nobodies buisness

[TheTengTheory]

actually the main influence is getting something to transport equipment around (prime example, a ute) and also lugging more than 2 people around. At the moment drive a tiny crx that barely has 4 seats and absolutely no boot space. And its going to be hard to do that owning a bike :P

dont worry, its not sold yet, really the only decision maker is money money money. Otherwise I would be putting kms into this badboy like nobodies buisness

swap the crx for a ute? or maybe a station wagon??

[Cam_NZ]

swap the crx for a ute? or maybe a station wagon??

For my crx I would get the ugliest, most beat up piece of ute out there haha!

[Monkfish]

actually the main influence is getting something to transport equipment around (prime example, a ute) and also lugging more than 2 people around. At the moment drive a tiny crx that barely has 4 seats and absolutely no boot space. And its going to be hard to do that owning a bike :P

dont worry, its not sold yet, really the only decision maker is money money money. Otherwise I would be putting kms into this badboy like nobodies buisness

Bro you are 19 and along way off from having to sell your bike.

I know plenty of people filled with regret from, selling their bike for all the sensible reasons in life.

The key thing here is they are full of regret almost all say they miss the bike and should never have sold it. knowing they should have found a way to make it work.

IMHO you should find a way to make it work, as selling so soon might lead to regrets later on.

[Cam_NZ]

Bro you are 19 and along way off from having to sell your bike.

I know plenty of people filled with regret from, selling their bike for all the sensible reasons in life.

The key thing here is they are full of regret almost all say they miss the bike and should never have sold it. knowing they should have found a way to make it work.

IMHO you should find a way to make it work, as selling so soon might lead to regrets later on.

Yep well took me 50mins to get to the auckland motorway on ramp (usually takes 10) and car overheated in traffic.... So car is out of commission for a while and biking there is looking alot better..


Just a question for anyone that knows about AUT northshore... What do you guys do about your gear??? Im biking there tommorrow, and have nothing in the way of a top box or similar.. Any lockers close by to parking or something?? really dont know where to ditch stuff

[The End]

Yep well took me 50mins to get to the auckland motorway on ramp (usually takes 10) and car overheated in traffic.... So car is out of commission for a while and biking there is looking alot better..


Just a question for anyone that knows about AUT northshore... What do you guys do about your gear??? Im biking there tommorrow, and have nothing in the way of a top box or similar.. Any lockers close by to parking or something?? really dont know where to ditch stuff

On a good day you could always lock/chain it to your bike, but it's hardly somewhere you want to leave it when it is raining outside. Having to wear wet riding gear on the ride home really sucks...Could you take it with you to your classes and just leave it at the back of the class out of the way?

[TheTengTheory]

On a good day you could always lock/chain it to your bike, but it's hardly somewhere you want to leave it when it is raining outside. Having to wear wet riding gear on the ride home really sucks...Could you take it with you to your classes and just leave it at the back of the class out of the way?

I've seen lockers on the upper floors of the AF building. What time you coming in? I've got a stupid KEC lecture at 11am.