LAMS - worse than Novopay?

[ducatilover]

Mint, how cheap are you selling it to me then

[MSTRS:Me]

Price just went up. more exclusive buyer group, you see.

[FJRider]

For those that think I'm having a fight with tptb...where the hell do you get that idea? I put a question to them, they engaged in dialogue so to speak and I responded with the pertinent info in and on the form they want.

As I understand ... the "dialogue" you speak of ... was automated. Hardly "engaging" at best.

I started this thread to raise awareness of the incomplete list that is LAMS and how to go about putting up bike models for LAMS consideration, but also as a slight tongue in cheek suggestion that the little person has no chance with big brother.

The process for getting a bike on the LAM's list has been around some time before the LAM's list came into effect. And there has been threads on the subject. The source of their information to confirm a bikes eligibility to go on the list .... will not include the KB forums. So nothing said in this thread will make the slightest bit of difference to your request.
There are plenty of bikes on the list that have "the same engine" as those that are not.

But good luck anyway ...

[davereid]

Looks like it won't happen... Thank you for your application to have the Kawasaki EX 500D2 add to the approved LAMS list.

As part of the approval process for the LAMS bike I have verified the power and weight figures with Kawasaki NZ (the original importer of this bike) and they confirm that that this model has 44kw and a dry weight of 176kg, giving us a power to weight ration of 165kw per tonne.

Even if we were to add 13kg for the 18 litres of fuel that would still give us a power to weight ratio of 157kw per tonne.

Based on these figures the Kawasaki EX 500 is not LAMS compliant.

The other bikes you mentioned in your e-mail the EN500, ER500, EX650 and KL650 have all been confirmed by Kawasaki to be compliant, whilst the GPZ550 was carried over from the Australian list and has been verified by Australian authorities.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. But still....fuck it.

It actually seems like someone had a look.

Most unusual for the NZTA. But a real human being did some sums. Wow.

[Eddieb]

also as a slight tongue in cheek suggestion that the little person has no chance with big brother.

I don't see any indication about people not having a chance against big brother in this, the process has been defined and public for quite some time and there is a very specific documented set of requirements for a bike to be included, which yours doesn't meet. Chance does not come into it and there's no indication of the little person being downtrodden by big brother. In fact whoever answered the email even seems to have considered stretching those requirements to see if it could pass and it still didn't.
In fact the process to get a bike added is clearly documented on the same page as the approved bike list the OP refers to, the scrolly bit of the mouse must have been broken: http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/gett...torcycles.html

The process for getting a bike on the LAM's list has been around some time before the LAM's list came into effect. And there has been threads on the subject. The source of their information to confirm a bikes eligibility to go on the list

Which I guess is what he said. The title also screams 'give me attention', a grave injustice has been done when in fact a mountain has been made out of a molehill.

[scracha]

Dear MSTRS,

The EX500 was known as the GPZ500 in many market. Therefore your bike is on the LAMS list so please sell it to a happy learner.

Yours

Scracha

[FJRider]

Dear MSTRS,

The EX500 was known as the GPZ500 in many market. Therefore your bike is on the LAMS list so please sell it to a happy learner.

Yours

Scracha

Re register it as a GPZ500 ... done.




Your welcome ...

[ducatilover]

Dear MSTRS,

The EX500 was known as the GPZ500 in many market. Therefore your bike is on the LAMS list so please sell it to a happy learner.

Yours

Scracha

Dear Scracha

The GPZ500 is not on the LAMS list.

Yours regratably Some Wanker Doug

[red mermaid]

Dead right.
The thread title screams about how great 'I' am in my fight but in reality the system was followed...an application was made, responded to promptly, investigated and the result made known with the reasoning.

How that can be similiar to the Novopay debacle is beyond me.

I don't see any indication about people not having a chance against big brother in this, the process has been defined and public for quite some time and there is a very specific documented set of requirements for a bike to be included, which yours doesn't meet. Chance does not come into it and there's no indication of the little person being downtrodden by big brother. In fact whoever answered the email even seems to have considered stretching those requirements to see if it could pass and it still didn't.
In fact the process to get a bike added is clearly documented on the same page as the approved bike list the OP refers to, the scrolly bit of the mouse must have been broken: http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/gett...torcycles.html



Which I guess is what he said. The title also screams 'give me attention', a grave injustice has been done when in fact a mountain has been made out of a molehill.

[imdying]

Yeah, I don't see the depth (of malice?) in this that you guys seem too.

But I do think that to give yourself the best chance of working with bureaucracy, you should follow their instructions as closely as you can. Damn nice of them to do some research of their own IMO.

[MSTRS:Me]

Yeah, I don't see the depth (of malice?) in this that you guys seem too.

But I do think that to give yourself the best chance of working with bureaucracy, you should follow their instructions as closely as you can. Damn nice of them to do some research of their own IMO.

Thank you. No malice was intended by me. Unlike one particularly nasty little Snake/God Squad/Fuckwit on here ...
And others who should check the facts before spouting off about what model I should call the bike. And even if the GPZ500 was on the list...I don't tell lies.

[Coldrider]

Unlike one particularly nasty little Snake/God Squad/Fuckwit on here ...

ah but in saturdays paper we had NOVO COP, but she's a gonna now

http://www.hawkesbaytoday.co.nz/news...-paul/1749532/