Commute time from Pukerua Bay?

[FJRider]

Thats Grays road and Haywards thanks

It was fun on a '79 GS1000E ...

[BMWST?]

It was fun on a '79 GS1000E ...

more fun on a cb900 fz

[caspernz]

more fun on a cb900 fz

Not a lot of fun on a Suzuki GT750...blimmin two-stroke waterbus...but then that was about mumble mumble years ago haha

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Women do shopping during the day, not first thing in the morning, which leaves them almost 8 hours of P&Q from the thundering traffic in which to enjoy their community and look at houses they can afford.

In this bucolic vision you've got of the womenfolk getting on with the shopping are they on horseback? Because I'm having trouble figuring out which fkin century you're inhabiting. Do you imagine when you're in your office cubicle with your head firmly planted up your arsehole that the rest of the world goes quiet and all traffic ceases?

I can't wait for the Sandhills Motorway to be built. Every community that has the longhaul traffic diverted away from their centre will be better off for it.

Business Centres on the Kapiti Coast? You're at least 15 years late (why does this not suprise me).

What you should be concentrating your efforts on is making "pub bore" an Olympic sport. I'm thinking something along the lines of darts crossed with Monty Python. Lots of useless fat fucks shouting and free beer for everyone. You'd be a contender... not a winner naturally but definitely a contender.

[FJRider]

Not a lot of fun on a Suzuki GT750...blimmin two-stroke waterbus...but then that was about mumble mumble years ago haha

I found it fun on an RZ350 ... which was during a loop that included the Paikakariki hill.

[mashman]

In this bucolic vision you've got of the womenfolk getting on with the shopping are they on horseback? Because I'm having trouble figuring out which fkin century you're inhabiting. Do you imagine when you're in your office cubicle with your head firmly planted up your arsehole that the rest of the world goes quiet and all traffic ceases?

I can't wait for the Sandhills Motorway to be built. Every community that has the longhaul traffic diverted away from their centre will be better off for it.

Business Centres on the Kapiti Coast? You're at least 15 years late (why does this not suprise me).

What you should be concentrating your efforts on is making "pub bore" an Olympic sport. I'm thinking something along the lines of darts crossed with Monty Python. Lots of useless fat fucks shouting and free beer for everyone. You'd be a contender... not a winner naturally but definitely a contender.

They are and they're riding side saddle performing Sharon Stone manoevers to attract mating candidates. Of course the traffic ceases. They womenfolk are all on horseback and vehicles scare horses

Is longhaul traffic a problem is it? Taking up all of that room on all of those roads that they use? Why did people build the centre of towns around the main road? T'would seem a bit stupid given the future volumes of traffic that would be passing through. Doh, sorry, WTF does common sense have to do with anything and you can always build more roads and then line them with business parks, shops etc... ironically creating the exact same problem for the future that the current proposal is trying to avoid. NZ isn't the only place on the world that has gone down this route ya know. Now don't freak out, but there are several hundred nations outside of NZ. I know, I knowm who would have thought, but I've seen them with my own eyes... oddly enough they're wasting fuckloads of cash on roading for no reason other than that's all they can think of as solutions to.

15 years too late? I haven't noticed a 10,000 people business centre, where is it?

Winning is overrated... and I've done the pub bore and I was relatively good at it, certainly not olympic standard... and whilst it was fun, those days are gone and I'm sliding into an old age that's suddenly dotted itself with epic fucktards, wizards and rainbow ponies. I'm guessing you're not a rainbow pony.

[Shadows]

Mebee... although given that it's going to be 2 lanes of traffic filtering into 1 lane of traffic from 2 directions, I can't see anyone norf of Linden getting a better run in. I equate it to heading into Pukerua at the end of the day where 2 lanes go into 1 and the traffic almost backs up to the Plimmerton roundabout. That will be happening as the traffic from the norf filters down into a single lane causing a bottleneck on the new road as well as causing a bottleneck on SH1 at the same time with the constant new traffic coming in from the left. I've yet to see that sort of junction work in the ways you highlight.

Edit: There's also the consideration of tolling having an affect on who will use the road... if they go ahead with tolls that is.

You're forgetting about the fuckload of people who live, work, shop and go to school in between those two points. They won't be merging anywhere. Also the new road won't be "bottlenecked" by 50k zones and the plethora of cuntwits on the road who are afraid to turn their steering wheels more than 5° at speeds in excess of 75k, as the road will be pretty much straight and multi laned. The road is long overdue and will work well. It is also a relief to finally see some of the roading fund to which I contribute a disproportionate amount being used where it will benefit my local area instead of yet another road I will never have the displeasure of using in Auckland.

[FJRider]

Is longhaul traffic a problem is it? Taking up all of that room on all of those roads that they use? Why did people build the centre of towns around the main road? T'would seem a bit stupid given the future volumes of traffic that would be passing through. Doh, sorry, WTF does common sense have to do with anything and you can always build more roads and then line them with business parks, shops etc... ironically creating the exact same problem for the future that the current proposal is trying to avoid. NZ isn't the only place on the world that has gone down this route ya know.

Longhaul traffic (especially the trucks) are not liked in main road/streets ... as they don't stop often to contribute to the towns economy. Put an alternative route for trucks (easier but not faster) away from the main streets is the usual first choice (if at all possible) but car traffic they DO want ... for the possibility they MIGHT stop for impulse buying of some type (Gas or food etc)

Towns and cities that have built roads that bypasses past their main centers .... have ALWAYS seen a big decline in sales (and property/business values) in those centers afterwards. The respective business associations in these towns that have "traffic issues" have long argued for retaining main road status for this reason. Regardless of local population dislike of the problem.
Whatever area any KB'r lives in or near ... they will know of such an area/town this has happened.

However ... those that build (or buy) next to/near a main road (or airport) shouldn't whinge about "issues" in later years ... especially if it's in relation to their property values.
But they do anyway ...

[mashman]

You're forgetting about the fuckload of people who live, work, shop and go to school in between those two points. They won't be merging anywhere. Also the new road won't be "bottlenecked" by 50k zones and the plethora of cuntwits on the road who are afraid to turn their steering wheels more than 5° at speeds in excess of 75k, as the road will be pretty much straight and multi laned. The road is long overdue and will work well. It is also a relief to finally see some of the roading fund to which I contribute a disproportionate amount being used where it will benefit my local area instead of yet another road I will never have the displeasure of using in Auckland.

How am I forgetting about people of live, school, work, shop etc...? I included them in the rush hour traffic as mentioned in my original response to the OP. As mentioned earlier, there's a 100k that goes down to a 50k at Pukerua and it bottlenecks with regular monotony innit. @cuntwits, there's nowhere for them to move to (which is probably just as well)... but they're still stuck in the traffic going into Welly at about 30-40k during rush hour, so the 50k limit doesn't really matter does it? It's the speed of the traffic that counts. Which is part of my "reasoning". They can clatter down the new road at 100k, but they aren't going to filter on to SH1 at that same speed. They're going to slam into 40k (if that) traffic if they do and currently both lanes are doing that speed. So essentially you have a new Pukerua at Linden trying to filter into an already chocked SH1. If the volume is consistent, I don't see it making any real difference at best and see it making more problems when conditions are bad. So I'm gonna have to disagree that the road is gonna be value for money when there are other (better in my eyes) solutions available.

Edit: Once rush hour has gone the roads are all but empty anyway, by comparison that is... there certainly aren't the same bottlenecks are there?

[mashman]

Longhaul traffic (especially the trucks) are not liked in main road/streets ... as the don't stop often to contribute to the towns economy. Put an alternative route for trucks (easier but not faster) away from the main streets is the usual first choice (if at all possible) but car traffic they DO want ... for the possibility they MIGHT stop for impulse buying of some type (Gas or food etc)

Towns and cities that have built roads that bypasses past their main centers .... have ALWAYS seen a big decline in sales (and property/business values) in those centers afterwards. The respective business associations in these towns that have "traffic issues" have long argued for retaining main road status for this reason. Regardless of local population dislike of the problem.
Whatever area any KB'r lives in or near ... they will know of such an area/town this has happened.

However ... those that build (or buy) next to/near a main road (or airport) shouldn't whinge about "issues" in later years ... especially if it's in relation to their property values.
But they do anyway ...

You take that back now, say it ain't so.

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Edit: Once rush hour has gone the roads are all but empty anyway, by comparison that is... there certainly aren't the same bottlenecks are there?

It's gratifying to see that the depth of your research amounts to putting the worst spin possible on how it might affect you personally and then screw everybody else. As to the bypassed towns losing business... Johnsonville, Tawa and Porirua always seem like hives of activity to me but maybe when I'm not there they cease to exist... to borrow your approach.

[FJRider]

It's gratifying to see that the depth of your research amounts to putting the worst spin possible on how it might affect you personally and then screw everybody else. As to the bypassed towns losing business... Johnsonville, Tawa and Porirua always seem like hives of activity to me but maybe when I'm not there they cease to exist... to borrow your approach.

Manure heaps are also a hive of activity if you look closely. But most sensible people prefer to keep their distance from them ... for obvious reasons ...

[speeding_ant]

Nice diversion from the main topic, but it's related enough to keep it entertaining.

I think we'll inspect any plans before considering houses in certain areas. Staying away from the main road is a good tip.

[mashman]

It's gratifying to see that the depth of your research amounts to putting the worst spin possible on how it might affect you personally and then screw everybody else. As to the bypassed towns losing business... Johnsonville, Tawa and Porirua always seem like hives of activity to me but maybe when I'm not there they cease to exist... to borrow your approach.

I know. Riding around and seeing for oneself is no substitute for a furtive imagination it would seem. Actually the ceasing to exist was your ASSumption, but hey, why waste some good spin.

[mashman]

Nice diversion from the main topic, but it's related enough to keep it entertaining.

I think we'll inspect any plans before considering houses in certain areas. Staying away from the main road is a good tip.

Pretty tricky when you need to use it for going to work