Speeding Ticket - Advice!

[sil3nt]

post the fucking video already

[Mort]

Yeah I've seen the cops on SH16 skulking about waiting to ping bikers basically doing no harm what so ever. Meanwhile a few k's to the east is SH1 where there is a mass of traffic blasting through a high crash area where lives have been lost where, you might imagine, the mere presence of a cop car would have a significant impression on thousands of drivers and actually do some public good. But no. They'd much rather cruise around and hide behind bushes in the middle of nowhere waiting patiently (and presumably completing a crossword) for one or two relatively harmless riders to ride by.

Cops should be deployed where they can do the most good not where the scenery appears most pleasing.

Dave, you have my sympathies. Welcome to NZ where cops are merciless ticket robots..

[PuppetMaster]

Yeah I've seen the cops on SH16 skulking about waiting to ping bikers basically doing no harm what so ever. Meanwhile a few k's to the east is SH1 where there is a mass of traffic blasting through a high crash area where lives have been lost where, you might imagine, the mere presence of a cop car would have a significant impression on thousands of drivers and actually do some public good. But no. They'd much rather cruise around and hide behind bushes in the middle of nowhere waiting patiently (and presumably completing a crossword) for one or two relatively harmless riders to ride by.

Cops should be deployed where they can do the most good not where the scenery appears most pleasing.

Dave, you have my sympathies. Welcome to NZ where cops are merciless ticket robots..

LOL. Unfortunately true. Although I do think you are giving your average cop a little too much credence, I doubt they are smart enough to do a crossword.

[skippa1]

Nah, they always give you that stuff after they've given you a ticket. If you're really lucky you might get some McDonalds vouchers.

shit....Im going to go get me a ticket for some free McDees

[imdying]

It is very unusual for a speedo to be out over the whole speed range. A speedo that reads under at 50k can be acurate at 100k. It depends how it was calibrated.

This rubbish is wrong.

OP, get on eBay and buy a radar detector.

[Zedder]

Yeah I've seen the cops on SH16 skulking about waiting to ping bikers basically doing no harm what so ever. Meanwhile a few k's to the east is SH1 where there is a mass of traffic blasting through a high crash area where lives have been lost where, you might imagine, the mere presence of a cop car would have a significant impression on thousands of drivers and actually do some public good. But no. They'd much rather cruise around and hide behind bushes in the middle of nowhere waiting patiently (and presumably completing a crossword) for one or two relatively harmless riders to ride by.

Cops should be deployed where they can do the most good not where the scenery appears most pleasing.

Dave, you have my sympathies. Welcome to NZ where cops are merciless ticket robots..

Yeah, I agree with your comments on SH1 and SH16.

Talking of SH16, did you post videos on YouTube under the name Morticus Maximus? I ride up there a lot and enjoyed those as well as the others posted.

[R650R]

Yeah its a bugger when a couple of K's puts you into next demerit category, not worth going to court though for several reasons:

1) You can't selectively use evidence. If you enter the video as evidence the cops will have the right to see the entire days recording not just the five seconds when the cop is coming towards you, same with the GPS data. No doubt there is record perhaps of you going even faster, you will end up with extra tickets. Courts already accept GPS data as evidence of speeding in accident cases.

2) The cops evidence will be taken as official record and you've already admitted at roadside nodoubt to speeding and arguing a couple of km an hour based on your amatuer gps use versus the professional expert (in eyes of courts) reading from radar system. The court will see it as timewasting and pedantic sorry.

BTW a note for everybody if you are going to ride fast on a regular basis you should not have any GPS sat nav type devices fitted or have cellphone turned on (preferably take battery out) as the cops will use the info against you in a crash. Arguing like the thread author has also puts it on record that you have this device and they will ask for it. Think this is how a trucky mate ended up in court after the same thing, he argued with a waikato highway patrol unit that his gps said 96 when the cop did him for 98... several months later CVIU gets his gps records and no one elses from same company and takes him to court. The evidence was damning but lucky the cops made a procedural error with regards to evidence and he got off... was the same with his fuelcard receipts which would be the equivlent of filling your bike up and using eftpos instead of cash...

There was a recent article in the states to about tomtom selling speed data to cops. Not an individual basis as that would violate privacy laws but as a roadmap to where people are in general do speed xxx. Notice that cops seem to park in places they never did before. If you speed with satnav your telling the cops where all the good roads are...

Sorry but best option is to wear this one.

[PseudoDave]

Yeah, already paid the fine. Was just curious to see if anyone had done anything like this before and how they went about it. Another thing I found, the radar system they use is +-3kph accurate, so in theory I could have been in the lower class than what the machine pinged me for, again, not worth the hassle though.

May actually consider a Radar Detector, just to be extra safe in the future!

[R650R]

Yeah, already paid the fine. Was just curious to see if anyone had done anything like this before and how they went about it. Another thing I found, the radar system they use is +-3kph accurate, so in theory I could have been in the lower class than what the machine pinged me for, again, not worth the hassle though.

May actually consider a Radar Detector, just to be extra safe in the future!

Radar detectors are no wallet saver on their own, you still have to be alert and proactive. Had one once then took it off as too much of a distraction. You need to spend the big dollars to get one that doesn't false alarm all the time also. Up your way you'll get lasered before you have the chance to hit the brakes anyway. At our trucking firm the only driver with a radar detector was also the one who got the most tickets... and he had a $1000 top of the line one too.

[scumdog]

Dave, you have my sympathies. Welcome to NZ where cops are merciless ticket robots..

Why, thank ya sah, thank ya verry much indeed!

[scumdog]

LOL. Unfortunately true. Although I do think you are giving your average cop a little too much credence, I doubt they are smart enough to do a crossword.

We have to do crosswords AND write out tickets now?

Dang, how WILL I get the time....

[pritch]

Radar detectors do work, but as has been said it does need to be a good one, and you need to keep doing whatever you did to avoid tickets previously. Eyes open, time and place, whatever.

Some luddites don't like them, but that's because they don't know what a detector can do. Eyeballs can't see around corners or through solid objects, a good detector will. Never decide though that the detector makes you "bullet proof" that's asking for trouble. Probably big trouble.

[FJRider]

Dave, you have my sympathies. Welcome to NZ where cops are merciless ticket robots..

Those same cops thank you for spreading the message ...

[Jantar]

Yeah its a bugger when a couple of K's puts you into next demerit category, not worth going to court though for several reasons:

1) You can't selectively use evidence. If you enter the video as evidence the cops will have the right to see the entire days recording not just the five seconds when the cop is coming towards you, same with the GPS data. No doubt there is record perhaps of you going even faster, you will end up with extra tickets. Courts already accept GPS data as evidence of speeding in accident cases......

This part is incorrect. The cops cannot demand to see the entire day's record on the chance that you were going faster somewhere else. They must have good reason to suspect that you committed an offence at a certain place and time, and then they can get a search warrnt to obtain any data that you have pertaining to that time and place.

Think this is how a trucky mate ended up in court after the same thing, he argued with a waikato highway patrol unit that his gps said 96 when the cop did him for 98... several months later CVIU gets his gps records and no one elses from same company and takes him to court. The evidence was damning but lucky the cops made a procedural error with regards to evidence and he got off.

I suspect the "procedural error" was the illegal obtaining of evidence. Can you ask your trucky mate to either verify this, or to comment on what else the procedural error might have been.

[Deano]

What happened to a biker community?

Sharing a common interest does not necessarily make people 'buddies', or require them to be supportive of one another.

I think a lot of bikers (incl some KBers) are complete twats. Don't expect too much from people, life will be a lot easier.

And to add to your story. I know a biker who got ticketed for exceeding 100kph, while in a traffic flow of several vehicles. His speed did not fluctuate at all and so he was doing the same as the other cars, but the cop singled him out, so beware.