New Ngauranga camera

[PeeJay]

Lol fair point maybe I forgot to mention the CCTV cameras see in the dark and go further a field than just the gorge at some point along the way the 'Man' will get ya

Another use for a FPV flying machine
mount a mini paintball gun on your helicopter or "drone" and do your bit for freedom
If you are really serious, make like a kamikazi without the permanent after affects
No wonder the govt wants to ban them

[Zedder]

Yeah, I did have you in mind when I asked that. Try failing to defend a traffic ticket, fuckwit, and then go see how much proof it took to convict you.

Everyone has the right to challenge the case.

For you, the amazing car jumping, mind construct, non-believer-in-car-crash-physics person that you are, it should be a piece of cake.

Also, hopefully everyone doesn't feel too bad that their career/job is non Ocean1 approved due to your statement that "engineering is the only true calling".

[FJRider]

He has read history. He knows that benevolent governments are an aberration, and that all governments eventually turn on their people. My Dad was a Watersider, he went on strike in 1951, wanting the 15 hour day reduced to 8 hours. The government of the day locked out union members, and used the army. They then denied him any benefits, made his union an illegal organisation and made it illegal to give money, food, or support of any kind to the strikers. Kiwis ignored the government, and supported the laid off workers. That was possible because the government didnt have the ability to enforce laws that most people thought were abhorrent. But now, these types of technology allow the government to pass unpopular laws, and enforce them effectively, even if they have no public support.

There is a big difference between not wanting to work a 15 hour day (although many still work them, even in this day and age) ... and getting (potentially) pinged for no current rego.
It is not so much about abhorrent unfair laws ... but the possibility of getting caught, when you thought there would be little chance of such.

Most people probably wont even know what the capabilities of the cameras are ... what restrictions are placed on the operators ... or how/wher they are used.

Scaremongering by a few with something to hide usually. If all the information you have on the ANPR program is what you have read in these (or similar) forums ... check out this site.

http://techliberty.org.nz/wp-content...NPR-manual.pdf

Interestingly ... the camera in the Ngauranga will most likely be just a speed camera. Unless it is directly connected to either a Police vehicle, or Police station via hard wire system. The amount of data required to be transmitted by "other" means ... would make it plainly obvious.

But don't let lack of facts stand in the way of a good rant ...

[Ocean1]

Everyone has the right to challenge the case.

The default procedure is that your found guilty, with no more proof than the original document.

For you, the amazing car jumping, mind construct, non-believer-in-car-crash-physics person that you are, it should be a piece of cake.

Also, hopefully everyone doesn't feel too bad that their career/job is non Ocean1 approved due to your statement that "engineering is the only true calling".

Whats tha? a list of agruements you've previously lost?

Dude, I've got better things to do than prove you wrong a second time.

[Ocean1]

There is a big difference between not wanting to work a 15 hour day (although many still work them, even in this day and age) ... and getting (potentially) pinged for no current rego.
It is not so much about abhorrent unfair laws ... but the possibility of getting caught, when you thought there would be little chance of such.

You're wrong FJ, both issues are exactly about abhorrent unfair laws, the possibility of getting caught has fuck all to do with it.

Don't get me wrong, I can see there are serious savings and improved efficiencies in the use of the technology. But the price is too high.

Interestingly ... the camera in the Ngauranga will most likely be just a speed camera. Unless it is directly connected to either a Police vehicle, or Police station via hard wire system. The amount of data required to be transmitted by "other" means ... would make it plainly obvious.

Data comm's limits? Please, dude, the likely traffic even from that site is no problem whatsoever.

[FJRider]

You're wrong FJ, both issues are exactly about abhorrent unfair laws, the possibility of getting caught has fuck all to do with it.

So the comment that getting caught with no rego is a more distinct possibility than before has nothing to do with methods of enforcement ... but about unfair laws ... ???

And ... is having the requirement to have the rego of the vehicle you operate on the roads current ... an unfair law ... ???

[Scuba_Steve]

And ... is having the requirement to have the rego of the vehicle you operate on the roads current ... an unfair law ... ???

it is as soon as you get more than 1, or if you have a bike, or if you have a diesel.

[FJRider]

it is as soon as you get more than 1, or if you have a bike, or if you have a diesel.

Funny how not many complained until the ACC levy was increased.

And the biggest moan about the ANPR program is the (supposed) increased chance of getting caught.

And I have more than one vehicle ... and don't see an issue with it. If you can't afford more than one vehicle ... DON'T ... because it wont get cheaper anytime soon.

[Scuba_Steve]

Funny how not many complained until the ACC levy was increased.

And the biggest moan about the ANPR program is the (supposed) increased chance of getting caught.

And I have more than one vehicle ... and don't see an issue with it. If you can't afford more than one vehicle ... DON'T ... because it wont get cheaper anytime soon.

people always griped about it but it was liveable. Now prices have been increased way far in excess of liveable or fair, and at a time when the Govt is forcing up all other prices making the whole living a struggle for many.

Maybee you like being financially raped & hey good for you, but the majority of us don't like being extorted.
I used to get all 3 of my vehicles (at the time) for the price of 1 bike (current). It would cost me around 4x that now, thats around 1.8k extra ontop of all the other increased living costs just to drive 1 vehicle of my choice... So I choose to follow the spirit, purpose, intent of the law rather than the letter & do all my vehicles for the price of 1 bike still.

[FJRider]

people always griped about it but it was liveable. Now prices have been increased way far in excess of liveable or fair, and at a time when the Govt is forcing up all other prices making the whole living a struggle for many.

Maybee you like being financially raped & hey good for you, but the majority of us don't like being extorted.
I used to get all 3 of my vehicles (at the time) for the price of 1 bike (current). It would cost me around 4x that now, thats around 1.8k extra ontop of all the other increased living costs just to drive 1 vehicle of my choice... So I choose to follow the spirit, purpose, intent of the law rather than the letter & do all my vehicles for the price of 1 bike still.

People gripe more when they don't pay rego and get pinged for it. And the more that don't will only encourage TPTB to find more ways to stop it.

I lived in Singapore for a few years. Their "Road Tax" system was based on engine capacity. The bigger the engine ... the more you paid. My 750 Honda cost me about $700 (NZ) a year. The fines for no Road Tax were in the thousands of $$$ ... and that was back in the eighties.

Some people just don't realize how well off they are. Time to reassess your choice (and need/number) of vehicles maybe ...

[Zedder]

The default procedure is that your found guilty, with no more proof than the original document.



Whats tha? a list of agruements you've previously lost?

Dude, I've got better things to do than prove you wrong a second time.

So did you fight them like you're always going on about on here. You've probably never done it or protested about anything of worth in your life but you do like to bluster on and on.

They certainly weren't any arguments on my part only bizarre comments by you. At the very least they're entertaining but, it's time to face up to the fact that this isn't The Matrix and you're not Neo even though you have the belief you can save the world from the evil powers that be. Just remember which pills to take.

[Madness]

I blame the extraordinary heat we're experiencing this summer.

[Zedder]

I blame the extraordinary heat we're experiencing this summer.

Yeah, it's Madness...

[bogan]

Interestingly ... the camera in the Ngauranga will most likely be just a speed camera. Unless it is directly connected to either a Police vehicle, or Police station via hard wire system. The amount of data required to be transmitted by "other" means ... would make it plainly obvious.

But don't let lack of facts stand in the way of a good rant ...

Amount of data? A number plate takes up what, 4 bytes, multiply that by say 5 million vehicles, even a dial up connection could download the whole database in a few hours, 3G for just the changes is easily within its capabilities.

But don't let lack of facts stand in the way of a good rant ...

[rustyrobot]

It looks like the Ngauranga gorge Camera has been changed to a rego plate recognition camera

Hmmm, what evidence is there that this is a camera which means there will be a different process of some sort?

It seems to me that if all NZ Police/NZTA wanted to do was compare the Plate number (which current cameras obviously capture - I know this from experience) against the Vehicle Licencing (aka Registration) data at that date, they could do it with the current hardware.

I would have thought that most likely reason for he change of camera was just for a better quality image.

Ready to be corrected, but seems like a big call to make without any evidence.