Gang patches

[Conquiztador]

Gangs are gangs regardless of whether they are a bikie, triad or any other type. I didn't name them, it's an official title for groups of people involved in criminal activities which is something bikies are well known for.

Getting your facts right might help you in life.

"Something bikies are well known for". Have you ever considered the possibility that much what you read about them is propaganda provided by the ones who have something to gain by you reading it and believing it? The Red Devils case springs to mind...

If you go back through this thread you will find that it was always about bikie patches and never about "triads or any other type".

[HenryDorsetCase]

"Something bikies are well known for". Have you ever considered the possibility that much what you read about them is propaganda provided by the ones who have something to gain by you reading it and believing it? The Red Devils case springs to mind...

That was very interesting, eh?

[Zedder]

No they helped out a mate in a situation the NZ police are well known for turning their backs on.
Actually unless you've been asleep your whole life you'd know that's not police work anyway.

I'll make sure I add "Just joking" to any further posts if necessary.

[Zedder]

"Something bikies are well known for". Have you ever considered the possibility that much what you read about them is propaganda provided by the ones who have something to gain by you reading it and believing it? The Red Devils case springs to mind...

If you go back through this thread you will find that it was always about bikie patches and never about "triads or any other type".

Yeah, I'm sure all the charges ever brought against crims were made up by the cops etc and the jails (which we pay for) are full of wrongfully sentenced people.

The Red Devils were still up on criminal charges, the cops overstepped the mark and lost the case. Fair enough too. They'll do it right/lawfully next time hopefully.

One of the words used in the threat title is "gang". It's not about "flower" or "cabbage" patches.

[Gianz]

Curious me. Can anyone shed some light on what gang have the traditional patch shape that is yellow writing on black?

I first thought CMA, but then the behaviour did not fit.

I came very close to killing a couple of their members tonight on my way home from work. I feel very lucky to have been overtaking a very nervous and new (I assume) driver that was hugging the fog line and going slowly.

The reason I feel this way is I had started to become just a little frustrated travelling at just under 80 kph behind said driver on the open road for about 5/10 kms.

The first opportunity I got to overtake was up a notorious black spot hill up our way. I believe I saw the speed indicater showing I was doing 79kph as I passed it. Once the overtaking lanes started I booted it and managed to draw alongside said learner on a curve, only to discover these 2 wanker motorcycle riders over the double yellow lines heading straight for me.

Too close to tootle melodiously on my horn or furiously flash my hooters or anything else, I guess sheer experience gave me the chance to avoid the bikes by swerving left into the nervous drivers lane.

I missed her too thankfully, though probably scared the shit out of her.

As for the poor bastard behind me that I could sense was celebrating as I put my boot into overtaking learner, and who was directly behind me at speed, I apologise, and have no idea what was going through his mind.

FFS! That one was the closest.

Anytime I get shit about bikers and how dangerously they ride, I guess I am going to have to admit that there are actually some that go out of their way to scare/piss off and kill other road users.

Wankers!

Probably women shouldn't drive.

[_Shrek_]

Probably women shouldn't drive.

wonabe trolls

[GrayWolf]

"Something bikies are well known for". Have you ever considered the possibility that much what you read about them is propaganda provided by the ones who have something to gain by you reading it and believing it? The Red Devils case springs to mind...

If you go back through this thread you will find that it was always about bikie patches and never about "triads or any other type".

Probably the reason 'Bikie' Gangs are media targeted so much? Is BECAUSE they are 'high profile' you could walk down the road past a Yakuza and wont know it, well maybe he'll be very smartly dressed. Same for you average? Big time crim. If you look at the 'historical figures' like the Kray's.. usually very well dressed etc, well known locally, etc etc... see a Black Power, Mongrel Mob, Road Knights, Hells Accountants etc etc...they are OBVIOUS even in an area they don't live in, so an easy 'hit' for media/political sensationalising.

[Monkfish]

Probably the reason 'Bikie' Gangs are media targeted so much? Is BECAUSE they are 'high profile' you could walk down the road past a Yakuza and wont know it, well maybe he'll be very smartly dressed. Same for you average? Big time crim. If you look at the 'historical figures' like the Kray's.. usually very well dressed etc, well known locally, etc etc... see a Black Power, Mongrel Mob, Road Knights, Hells Accountants etc etc...they are OBVIOUS even in an area they don't live in, so an easy 'hit' for media/political sensationalising.

Agreed, but playing devils advocate, Some Biker Gangs also, have and premote a Fuck the world attitude.

"Under the radar" organized crime dosnt impeed on socitey (much) because It needs the safety blanket of camoflage that society provides.

Some 1%'ers actively promote being "outlaw" thinking that they are some how different from the rest of us. - I did not ask to be born in New Zealand, nor do I agree with alot of the Laws here, but I obey them (mostly). Because living alongside your fellow man, makes life easier.
This Idea of promoting segregation and excluding oneself form scoiety and the "mainstream" is also why the media is attracted to them.
Who dosent like a story about a rebel?
So although their "Patches" and lifestyle do make them easy target's for the media.. It has to be said that IMHO ,. Its not that they are being targeted, they bring alot of the attention on themselves.

[Zedder]

Probably the reason 'Bikie' Gangs are media targeted so much? Is BECAUSE they are 'high profile' you could walk down the road past a Yakuza and wont know it, well maybe he'll be very smartly dressed. Same for you average? Big time crim. If you look at the 'historical figures' like the Kray's.. usually very well dressed etc, well known locally, etc etc... see a Black Power, Mongrel Mob, Road Knights, Hells Accountants etc etc...they are OBVIOUS even in an area they don't live in, so an easy 'hit' for media/political sensationalising.

"media/political sensationalising"? Don't you think it maybe because they feature quite a bit in criminal activities?

They bring it on themselves and it's not a small problem. Other countries are having the same gang issues but NZ has the most gangs per head of population.

[Banditbandit]

That old tired excuse eh. What happened to just choosing good from bad?

It may be tired to you - but many people still think that ...

And who gets to define "good" and "bad" ???

Gangs are gangs regardless of whether they are a bikie, triad or any other type. I didn't name them, it's an official title for groups of people involved in criminal activities which is something bikies are well known for.

Getting your facts right might help you in life.

Facts? Always in dispute ... do you always accept what the media say? "bikies are well known for" on the basis of what? What the news media tells you? What the police claim??

"Something bikies are well known for". Have you ever considered the possibility that much what you read about them is propaganda provided by the ones who have something to gain by you reading it and believing it? The Red Devils case springs to mind...

Exactly ..

The Red Devils were still up on criminal charges,

That doesn't prove they did anything - all it proves is that the cops thought they did something ...

the cops overstepped the mark and lost the case. Fair enough too. They'll do it right/lawfully next time hopefully.

ANd maybe they won't because there might not be any real evidence of any real crime ...

[Banditbandit]

"media/political sensationalising"? Don't you think it maybe because they feature quite a bit in criminal activities?

Or does it appear they appear to feature quite a bit because the media focusses on them? The media does not ereport all court cases in New ZEaland .. just the ones they think will sell newspapers ...

They bring it on themselves and it's not a small problem. Other countries are having the same gang issues but NZ has the most gangs per head of population.

And why do you think that is? If our country is truely so wonderful why do we have the highest gang numbers per head of population? Why do we have the highest male and teen suicide rate in the world? Why do we have such high levels of drug abuse? Why do we have such high levels of child molestation, child abuse and child murder?

Why do gangs think "Fuck the World" ??? ... Could it possibly be because some of us think the world is fucked ????

[Zedder]

You're the one supposedly in academia, give us all your considerably researched answers. Or is it all in the Treaty of Waitangi somewhere?

Incidently, you're the only one who wrote "So fuck you too" out of all the others. Very reasonable.

[Conquiztador]

"media/political sensationalising"? Don't you think it maybe because they feature quite a bit in criminal activities?

They bring it on themselves and it's not a small problem. Other countries are having the same gang issues but NZ has the most gangs per head of population.

It is a little like anything else. Let's focus on where we can be seen doing things. Let's make the public believe that this IS the biggest issue. As an example if we compare the money spent on lowering the road toll (at approx 400/year in NZ) and the amount spent on lowering the suicide rate (at approx 500/year in NZ) When looking at the money spent we see that our government is spending over $300 mill on making roads safer. Add to that money spent on policing the roads and there will be very little left from $0.5 Billion. Because "The Road toll Must come down". As comparison, to cut suicide rates in NZ $25 million is spent.

And what does this have to do with gangs and back patches you ask? Well, the link is in making us believe that we need to spend the resources in an area that is easy to monitor, police and splash on the front pages. So the propaganda machine is put in place with most of us buying it. If you ask today what is the biggest current criminal issue is in NZ you would most probably learn that most NZ's think it is the gangs. And at the same time white collar crims are fleecing us for billions/year. But they are hard to pinpoint as they do not wear a patch...

[Banditbandit]

You're the one supposedly in academia, give us all your considerably researched answers. Or is it all in the Treaty of Waitangi somewhere?

Incidently, you're the only one who wrote "So fuck you too" out of all the others. Very reasonable.

Yeah ... I did ... and you are taking it out of context ... and it was meant as a stereo-typical 1%er type reaction ...

I didn't come here to be an academic - I do that all fucking day ... I came here to let the 1%er biker side of me run wild .. and occassionally it does just that ...

[Zedder]

It is a little like anything else. Let's focus on where we can be seen doing things. Let's make the public believe that this IS the biggest issue. As an example if we compare the money spent on lowering the road toll (at approx 400/year in NZ) and the amount spent on lowering the suicide rate (at approx 500/year in NZ) When looking at the money spent we see that our government is spending over $300 mill on making roads safer. Add to that money spent on policing the roads and there will be very little left from $0.5 Billion. Because "The Road toll Must come down". As comparison, to cut suicide rates in NZ $25 million is spent.

And what does this have to do with gangs and back patches you ask? Well, the link is in making us believe that we need to spend the resources in an area that is easy to monitor, police and splash on the front pages. So the propaganda machine is put in place with most of us buying it. If you ask today what is the biggest current criminal issue is in NZ you would most probably learn that most NZ's think it is the gangs. And at the same time white collar crims are fleecing us for billions/year. But they are hard to pinpoint as they do not wear a patch...

But work is being done to combat white collar crime. NZ recently signed an agreement, along with 46 other countries, to fight tax evasion etc and there are new policies to stop finance company/banking system rippoffs.

Also, only this week, the class action against the bank fee scam kicked off so it's all good news on that front.