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[jellywrestler]

Yeah, they do. I owned one for a year and NEVER felt good about the brakes.

did you ever think to get them checked?

[superjackal]

did you ever think to get them checked?

Yep, right after my first accident by Red Baron.

[nodrog:Me]

did you ever think to get them checked?

apparently you can just check them yourself.

[Mushu]

Again, not really helpful. Accidents are unintended incidents and we all have them. Hindsight's awesome. I hope you don't end up on your arse when YOU make a mistake. I'd never wish that on anyone or believe they deserve an accident.

If you've seen any of my posts you'll see I have lots of praise for GNs. Doesn't change that they have shit brakes and poor stability under braking. Fact. Perhaps only riders with godlike riding prowess and an ability to foresee and prevent accidents through their own awesomeness should ride GNs?

Read my newby thread, I have gone down and despite the fact a wayward 4x4 was a major factor, I owned my accident, never blamed my bike, this allowed me to work on some things and improve.

By blaming the bike you're just as stupid only on a bigger (I assume, I don't really care though) bike and potentially an even bigger accident. I'm glad you finally admit fault. Don't blame the bike there are design rules that state the brakes must be adequate, and I'm sure Suzuki wants you to make it through your L so you can provide more business for them when you upgrade. Not to mention the thousands of ginny riders around, if it were the bikes fault they'd be going down all over the place.

Katman, stop making sense, it's really painful quoting you and agreeing with it.

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[superjackal]

Read my newby thread, I have gone down and despite the fact a wayward 4x4 was a major factor, I owned my accident, never blamed my bike, this allowed me to work on some things and improve.

I'm pretty sure there was a "despite", "wayward" and "major factor" in my accident too.

[Mushu]

I'm pretty sure there was a "despite", "wayward" and "major factor" in my accident too.

There always is, but the trick is to be prepared. I was pointing out that I could have blamed the 4x4 and carried on learning nothing, but I chose to look for a way I could have avoided it and incorporated that new skill into my riding.

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[superjackal]

There always is, but the trick is to be prepared. I was pointing out that I could have blamed the 4x4 and carried on learning nothing, but I chose to look for a way I could have avoided it and incorporated that new skill into my riding.

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Let me reassure you my accident has been very sobering and I have taken many lessons from it. Good advice to look at the silver lining, thank you.

[oneofsix]

Read my newby thread, I have gone down and despite the fact a wayward 4x4 was a major factor, I owned my accident, never blamed my bike, this allowed me to work on some things and improve.

By blaming the bike you're just as stupid only on a bigger (I assume, I don't really care though) bike and potentially an even bigger accident. I'm glad you finally admit fault. Don't blame the bike there are design rules that state the brakes must be adequate, and I'm sure Suzuki wants you to make it through your L so you can provide more business for them when you upgrade. Not to mention the thousands of ginny riders around, if it were the bikes fault they'd be going down all over the place.

Katman, stop making sense, it's really painful quoting you and agreeing with it.

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I feel for you but it isn't that katman makes sense sometimes, he often does, it is often the delivery, your delivery was much better. Then there are the times he sometimes seem to dream up as outlandish ways to blame the rider as the riders do excuses.

[Katman]

Then there are the times he sometimes seem to dream up as outlandish ways to blame the rider as the riders do excuses.

Name even one.

[oneofsix]

Name even one.

how about the one where the rider was meant to have seen the head movement of the SUV driver when if the SUV driver had moved her head she wouldn't have pulled the U-turn in the first place. But like the riders stories it was said with no facts, no idea if the SUV windows were tinted or clear or anything. Looking for head movement is a good thing but the blame the rider because they didn't see it is going too far. At least Mushu's was his own story and not finger pointing at another biker with half the facts. I don't think we can white wash our actions but blaming us needlessly and therefore feeding the haters is not good either. No wonder you don't believe in the brotherhood.

[FJRider]

Name even one.

I liked this one ...

........my advice is, beat yourself up over it. It sounds like a totally avoidable accident.

[Katman]

how about the one where the rider was meant to have seen the head movement of the SUV driver when if the SUV driver had moved her head she wouldn't have pulled the U-turn in the first place. But like the riders stories it was said with no facts, no idea if the SUV windows were tinted or clear or anything. Looking for head movement is a good thing but the blame the rider because they didn't see it is going too far. At least Mushu's was his own story and not finger pointing at another biker with half the facts. I don't think we can white wash our actions but blaming us needlessly and therefore feeding the haters is not good either. No wonder you don't believe in the brotherhood.

Really? I think your selective memory has let you down again.

If you go back and find that thread (I wouldn't know where to start looking) you'll see that I certainly never "blamed" the rider for the crash. All I ever said was that vital clues were clearly missed that could have possibly prevented the crash from occurring.

My main point about U-turning vehicles has always been that the vehicle cannot perform the U-turn without it's front wheels turning out to the right. Other clues include, possibly noticing exhaust fumes (indicating that the vehicle is in fact running), possibly noticing a person in the driver's seat and possibly seeing a head movement from the driver.

As I've always said, it's not so much about apportioning 'blame' but rather about the lessons that can be learned.

It's people like yourself that are perpetuating our piss poor crash statistics by immediately throwing your hands up and claiming "there was nothing you could do about it" instead of insisting that we examine crashes dispassionately in order to look for ways of improving our game.

So, any other examples of me "outlandishly blaming the motorcyclist" that you'd like to put forward?

[Banditbandit]

Really? I think your selective memory has let you down again.

If you go back and find that thread (I wouldn't know where to start looking) you'll see that I certainly never "blamed" the rider for the crash. All I ever said was that vital clues were clearly missed that could have possibly prevented the crash from occurring.

My main point about U-turning vehicles has always been that the vehicle cannot perform the U-turn without it's front wheels turning out to the right. Other clues include, possibly noticing exhaust fumes (indicating that the vehicle is in fact running), possibly noticing a person in the driver's seat and possibly seeing a head movement from the driver.

As I've always said, it's not so much about apportioning 'blame' but rather about the lessons that can be learned.

It's people like yourself that are perpetuating our piss poor crash statistics by immediately throwing your hands up and claiming "there was nothing you could do about it" instead of insisting that we examine crashes dispassionately in order to look for ways of improving our game.

So, any other examples of me "outlandishly blaming the motorcyclist" that you'd like to put forward?

I'm with Katman on this one - I hate vehicles on the side of the road, running and with a driver in the seat ... I never know what the silly fuckers are going to do ... and they can do some very stupid things ... so I watch them very carefully ... and I have never hit one which has done something stupid in front of me ...

(I've hit other cars which have done stupid things ... both of them completely the drivers' fault ... one I could have avoided if I had been more aware at the time and not so focussed on getting to work on time ... the other if I had a bike wth better brakes)

It's about awareness of what is happening around us on the roads ... that gives a rider the edge to avoid bad situations that lead to accidents ...

Bottom line - dead is dead no matter who's fault it was - so I'd rather live to tell a driver that he or she has completely fucked up and should not have a licence ...

[Mushu]

To be watching for tyres turning, exhaust fumes and heads in parked cars I think would detract from actually watching the road it front when you have a street full of parked cars, my suggestion is that if you sit on the right wheel track and get comfortable with your horn button. This has proven to leave enough room on a couple of occasions and look for actual movement of the car (most people creep out of the park a bit before they actually join traffic or swing a u turn)

Also, small cars such as my Levin burns clean enough you can't see the exhaust unless it's a cold day (and impossible to see at night) and anyone that learned to drive in a car without power steering won't turn their wheels until they are moving anyway, also often headrests in cars make it very difficult to see if there's anyone in the car (extremely difficult with tints and once again impossible at night.)

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[Banditbandit]

Town riding (which I do fuck all off if I can help it - I don't live in a town ... just have to work in one) is the pits - you need eyes in the back of your head ... Yeah I don't look at cars on the side of the road quite so much ... there's to much happening ...

But it's still a good idea to maintain a high level of awarensss of what is happeing all around you ... everything you say is true .. but it's no excuse not to try ... and practice improves things ... 39 years on bikes and I'm still alive ... despite the best efforts of a few car drivers ...

And what the fuck is an XT535 using Tapatalk 2? Some new breed of yamaheehaa?