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[Katman]

To be watching for tyres turning, exhaust fumes and heads in parked cars I think would detract from actually watching the road it front when you have a street full of parked cars, my suggestion is that if you sit on the right wheel track and get comfortable with your horn button. This has proven to leave enough room on a couple of occasions and look for actual movement of the car (most people creep out of the park a bit before they actually join traffic or swing a u turn)

Also, small cars such as my Levin burns clean enough you can't see the exhaust unless it's a cold day (and impossible to see at night) and anyone that learned to drive in a car without power steering won't turn their wheels until they are moving anyway, also often headrests in cars make it very difficult to see if there's anyone in the car (extremely difficult with tints and once again impossible at night.)

I would suggest you work at increasing your awareness level.

It is quite possible to be aware of cars parked on the side of the road as well as other moving traffic.

If the vehicle is moving before the driver starts turning their wheels then you should have become aware of the vehicle moving.


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[ducatilover]

Town riding (which I do fuck all off if I can help it - I don't live in a town ... just have to work in one) is the pits - you need eyes in the back of your head ... Yeah I don't look at cars on the side of the road quite so much ... there's to much happening ...

But it's still a good idea to maintain a high level of awarensss of what is happeing all around you ... everything you say is true .. but it's no excuse not to try ... and practice improves things ... 39 years on bikes and I'm still alive ... despite the best efforts of a few car drivers ...

And what the fuck is an XT535 using Tapatalk 2? Some new breed of yamaheehaa?

I spend a bit of time in the BOP and I really wouldn't want to be riding around Tauranga/Te Puke, people are scary up there

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[Mushu]

I would suggest you work at increasing your awareness level.

It is quite possible to be aware of cars parked on the side of the road as well as other moving traffic.

If the vehicle is moving before the driver starts turning their wheels then you should have become aware of the vehicle moving.


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Everyone only has a certain amount of attention to give so if you put huge importance on looking inside parked cars or trying to see every exhaust etc.... At 60 kays on a street lined with parked cars how many do you pass in a second and you want to look that close at every single 1? (60k=16m/s at 4m between cars that's 4 cars a second)

There are plenty of other signs not mentioned like spotting the driver get in the car, or windows down etc.

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[Katman]

Everyone only has a certain amount of attention to give so if you put huge importance on looking inside parked cars or trying to see every exhaust etc.... At 60 kays on a street lined with parked cars how many do you pass in a second and you want to look that close at every single 1? (60k=16m/s at 4m between cars that's 4 cars a second)

There are plenty of other signs not mentioned like spotting the driver get in the car, or windows down etc.

Believe me, you ain't got nothing you can teach me about situational awareness in congested traffic.

Like I said, best you start learning to increase your awareness.

[Mushu]

Believe me, you ain't got nothing you can teach me about situational awareness in congested traffic.

Like I said, best you start learning to increase your awareness.

So you're saying there's nothing left for you to learn?
Speaks to your attitude don't you think.

I do all I can to increase my awareness but you'd be surprised how little detail your eyes actually see, most of what you see is imagined from experience and peripheral vision is only good at detecting movement of large objects (ie animals that would be a danger to early man, the motor vehicle in any form isn't much over 100 years old, evolution doesn't happen that fast) All of this means that you have to look directly at things to identify the small movements you suggest, therefore if you pass four cars and look for three details on each that's 12 different things you have to look directly at each second, and you don't think that detracts from identifying other hazards.....
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[Maha]

So you're saying there's nothing left for you to learn?
Speaks to your attitude don't you think.

I do all I can to increase my awareness but you'd be surprised how little detail your eyes actually see, most of what you see is imagined from experience and peripheral vision is only good at detecting movement of large objects (ie animals that would be a danger to early man, the motor vehicle in any form isn't much over 100 years old, evolution doesn't happen that fast) All of this means that you have to look directly at things to identify the small movements you suggest, therefore if you pass four cars and look for three details on each that's 12 different things you have to look directly at each second, and you don't think that detracts from identifying other hazards.....
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You should try Hauraki, they play different tunes over there......

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[Mushu]

You should try Hauraki, they play different tunes over there......

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The cage is set to hauraki......

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[Katman]

So you're saying there's nothing left for you to learn?
Speaks to your attitude don't you think.

No, I'm saying that clearly from your posts you have nothing you can teach me.

Do you have any concept of what riding for 12 hour days in London is like?

If you think Auckland is congested, you're dreaming.

[Mushu]

No, I'm saying that clearly from your posts you have nothing you can teach me.

Do you have any concept of what riding for 12 hour days in London is like?

If you think Auckland is congested, you're dreaming.

I've yet to see you concede you have anything to learn from anyone so I'm not surprised you have nothing to learn from me.
On the other hand everything said by you is, I find, a source of entertainment, not information.

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[Katman]

I've yet to see you concede you have anything to learn from anyone so I'm not surprised you have nothing to learn from me.
On the other hand everything said by you is, I find, a source of entertainment, not information.

Oh, I've got plenty to learn about tolerance.

[Maha]

No, I'm saying that clearly from your posts you have nothing you can teach me.

Do you have any concept of what riding for 12 hour days in London is like?

If you think Auckland is congested, you're dreaming.

Must feel like the after effect of drinking 12 pints of Guinness....

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[Katman]

All of this means that you have to look directly at things to identify the small movements you suggest, therefore if you pass four cars and look for three details on each that's 12 different things you have to look directly at each second, and you don't think that detracts from identifying other hazards.....

I'm not asking you to be able to identify the driver in a police line up.

[chasio]

Everyone only has a certain amount of attention to give so if you put huge importance on looking inside parked cars or trying to see every exhaust etc.... At 60 kays on a street lined with parked cars how many do you pass in a second and you want to look that close at every single 1? (60k=16m/s at 4m between cars that's 4 cars a second)

There are plenty of other signs not mentioned like spotting the driver get in the car, or windows down etc.

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Personally, if I don't feel like I can process enough information to proceed with a high level of confidence at my current speed, I slow down. I wouldn't do 60kmh on a street lined with parked cars, for example. There is a change in "feel" when I know I am going too fast for my cognition level. It's a little bit like tunnel vision, but not as simple as that. If I feel that, I back off.

On a steet with cars parked lining both sides, that may mean I slow to 40kmh or even less if it is narrow or near a school at days' start or end, etc.

[Mushu]

Personally, if I don't feel like I can process enough information to proceed with a high level of confidence at my current speed, I slow down. I wouldn't do 60kmh on a street lined with parked cars, for example. There is a change in "feel" when I know I am going too fast for my cognition level. It's a little bit like tunnel vision, but not as simple as that. If I feel that, I back off.

On a steet with cars parked lining both sides, that may mean I slow to 40kmh or even less if it is narrow or near a school at days' start or end, etc.

I'm the same in that if I feel uncomfortable I'll back off until I'm back in my comfort zone but to slow to 40 on a busy road when the traffic is doing 60 can be more dangerous (I had to brake hard yesterday when the car I was following unexpectedly changed lanes to reveal a step thru doing about 40 down Linwood ave, if I had been following close it could have been a bad situation, yes I was speeding at the time and in the cage but I was doing the speed of the traffic I could see around me)

The point of my post is not to become too involved in one prospective danger or you risk missing something else, or even running into it through target fixation (if you're spending all your time looking left at the cars you will veer left without realising it unless you are actively aware of it)

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[Katman]

The point of my post is not to become too involved in one prospective danger or you risk missing something else, or even running into it through target fixation (if you're spending all your time looking left at the cars you will veer left without realising it unless you are actively aware of it)

Nobody has suggested focusing on only one prospective danger. The idea is to constantly scan the environment around you, identifying potential hazards and then assigning sufficient attention to them until they are no longer a hazard.

How much is 'sufficient' will depend entirely on the individual situation.