Originally Posted by Banditbandit
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Hardcore Biker
I'll chime in on the 'yes it's ok/good at slow speeds'. It will allow you to turn the bike quicker/easier at slow speeds, though it means you need to man(woman)handle the bike a bit more to go from turning one way to the other. The main thing is in your title - 'Slow speed maneuvers'. As soon as you are doing more than navigating a carpark, avoiding speed bumbs, doing a u-turn then back to leaning it is.
Interestingly during my BHST I was using it for the swerving cones bit, but the instructor didn't mention it to the other riders who were struggling with that section. I didn't think to mention it as I was that new to riding I didn't think anyone would _not_ be doing it. That was before I knew what coutner-steering was, or any other bit of jargon.
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arcane, you've been here too long
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At slow speed, the more one leans the bike, the tighter they can turn (it's all to do with mechanics and reducing the turn radius I think there might be something about it in one of David Hough's books??)
If you increase the lean at slow speed, there is no centrifugal force to push the bike out (or hold it up) so it will get to a point where it will fall over.
Shifting your weight to the outside, shifts the C of G closer to the contact point of the wheels and maintains balance at a greater lean angle.
Counter leaning at high speeds can be done.....but it will limit the speed of the bike because the point of leaning in at high speed is to minimise the lean angle of the bike to maximise traction at the given speed.
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And then you could get into the forces that are acting on the bike at high speeds that limit the grip in a turn.
In laymans terms at higher speeds the bike wants to keep going straight rather than turn so you 'use' more of your grip to turn the bike through a corner than at a lower speed. Also things like acceleration and braking can 'use up' grip. Hence "brake on the straight before it's too late".
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That's because centrifugal force does not exist.
Sent from high school where this was learned.
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I'm surprised it's gone 2 pages with nobody mentioning gymkhana
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzUcgGs8Vqg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvFpG...layer_embedded
Counter leaning doesn't seem to have had any adverse affects on those chaps
TBH for low speed stuff (sub 20kph) I wouldn't stress too much. Whatever works for you! At that sort of speed so long as you're not falling off I can't see it mattering much one way or another
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There was a good reason for that you arsehole, now how are we supposed to get any work done...I'm surprised it's gone 2 pages with nobody mentioning gymkhana
this guy even seems to be leaning pretty much neutral, definetley looking where he wants to go instead where he aiming though!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sULhdPMDJ4Q
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Jebus! Do they even get out of 1st gear?
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Will have to watch that again, some strange head movements going on there.
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Hardcore Biker
I'm always really impressed by the gymkhana riding. I've seen videos where they pulled that off in pouring rain. Just amazing. Think I need to practise that a bit more.
Bogeyman
Seems to be common, watched several riders turn their heads towards an apex and keep facing that way until they reach it, then there's a quick but definite head turn away outside the turn somewhere, and then immediately back to the turn exit line. Wonder if it's some sort of forced disconnect between entry focus and exit focus...
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Oppan Biker Style
They should get Rossi to try it out, like he did Isle of Man...
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Me & the G/F have been practicing for awhile now. Awesome way to improve control & balance skills.
We counter lean to do full lock, full lean turns, 180's & 360's. At slow speed the bike just falls over unless you counter balance it. As you get better & more importantly faster it's less dramatic, I guess because the time off the throttle is less, you chuck it down on the brakes, handlebars at full lock & then pick it up on the throttle.
My G/F was quite static on her bike so I got her to practice leaning out, it's a very important off road skill too, her turns became tighter & faster.
Not that you should be worried about speed to start with.
Co-ordinating throttle, clutch & both brakes smoothly is the most important thing to learn, then you can start to tighten the lock & increase lean angle.
THIS is my favourite exercise for slow speed counter leaning practice, figure 8's through a 1m gate.
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My reading suggests that is the correct technique for very tight turns. Years ago one of the Brit magazines had a competition as to which of their roadtest riders could do the smallest circle, the winner was the former trials rider standing on the pegs.
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