Forum whore
Different topic but relevant.
A mate of mine teaches Coastguard boating courses and told me one of the major reasons they were started was to stop Government legislating for boat licences and registration with attendant fees etc. These are purely voluntary courses.
So far, they've held off the money grubbers since 1989.
God's Evil Twin
No I don't.Originally Posted by willytheekid
Doesn't look as bad as I'd expect from 120Mph or almost 200Kph. Also shoulsn't she be dead? or was she not in an artificial death speed area when it happened?
But "Rock The Gear" seems like a good tag the great propaganda machine should be pushing. Again it should NOT be legislated but a propaganda push with "Rock The Gear" (& appropriate visuals/narrators) I think would be a good thing, probably get the message through to a few
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Wearing Hi-Viz Black.
Pisspot helmets, gloves or fingerless gloves, wife beaters, and especially jandals are all fecking stupid, but thank your lucky stars it's still a choice.
Well said Jim2.
Article: More than half of motorcycle and scooter users are ignoring warnings about wearing safety gear, risking horrific preventable injuries, experts say. A Motor Trade Association (MTA) survey of 338 riders on busy Wellington roads during the last two weeks found 51 per cent failed to meet basic ACC guidelines by not wearing items such as gloves, or appropriate footwear, trousers or jackets. The results were disappointing, said MTA spokesman Hamish Stuart who was "surprised at the lack of safety equipment worn by this particularly vulnerable group of road users''.
Seems that quite a few around here (and particularly the writer of the article) have yet to realise that ONLY a helmet is legally required.
Nothing more.
Stupid, but thank fuck people still have the individual choice in the matter.
Stop whining.
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Bogeyman
Be a nice simple excercise, eh? I wonder what sort of condition the data's in and whether anything usefull can be pulled from it. I'm not hopeful, given the number of times one or another interested official entities have been caught grooming data collection tools. Still, it'd be interesting to see if some broad generalisations could be drawn regarding equipment performance...
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
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ACC and others seem to have a flawed thinking around safety imho.
I purchased a new Stihl chainsaw recently and looked at chaps and eye screen etc. The guy said if I waited till May ACC would subsidise the purchase of the safety items.. So I got hold of ACC who said yes thats correct but I needed to wait till then but if I purchased safety equipment before or after they would not pay a subsidy...
They could not give me a reason why it was for only one month and I'm buggered if I know why too.
I bought the stuff anyway, but really!! If they were serious imho they would do it all year round to encourage a safety approach.
It raises a question around M/C gear too, again if they were serious and wanted to encourage riders to be safer or more visible then they should or could offer a subsidy.
Last edited by rustic101; 15th March 2013 at 16:30. Reason: sp
Bogeyman
How long have you been riding? The difference in riding gear typically worn over the last 20 years is huge, mostly on the back of industry advertising. At least out of the city centres.
And I'd keep ACC out of it, given their success with publicity campaigns over the years we'd probably see a return to Jeans, tee shirts and open helmets again.
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Forum whore
I haven't crashed a bike in 43 years of riding. Not planning to either assuming I am allowed back on one in the future... crashing the van was painful enough...
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25 odd years back (& they were odd years) I did a pretty lame study for some schoolastic reason I can't remember, & chose motorcycle safety as the topic. It became pretty apparent that the only time legislation had caused a reduction of the road toll as a whole was after the copulsary introduction of seatbelts in Cars. & some marked movement in drink driving, but this was 25 years back.
I think I got a C, but thats another story.
Obviously there was an increasing road use over the sample timeframe but still there was marked drop as people started using their seatbelts.
Before that people had a choice, . . . but made dumb choices.
So one can ask the age old question: "Am I my brother's keeper?"
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Bogeyman
Now, the way I read that is that 51% were missing one or more of ACC's recommended safety articles. Personally, I was surprised that 49% WERE wearing the full list of required items. I'd like to see exactly what that list of "such items" represented, and how accurately the survey was carried out. In who's opinion was the kit "appropriate", for example?
Aye. They'd like to change that, though. So it's appropriate to be somewhat suspicious of data collected by interested parties on compliance to another interested party's recommended list of kit. 'Cause, y'know they've got a bit of history in fucking with data to suit themselves.
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God's Evil Twin
Not long enough to see that.
Yea well I did say they had to get the formula right & was probably thinking more NZTA. But then they're probably no better
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Forum whore
Be good to have some real data on this. All I know from anecdotal evidence is I hear far more of riders (who are presumably togged up), binning it on jounts over the 'rappa' than of actual riders binning it without full gear on.
Forum whore
You can't generalise about jeans or cargo pants either, as it is likely that they are kevlar weave lined and the seams are stitched better than Jeffrey Chandel leathers from 25 years ago. A lot of people wear armour under those sorts of trousers too, armour separate to the trousers themselves but more importantly correctly fitted to the exact areas that are problematic in accidents, like knees for instance. Knox impact foam knee protectors from Draggin Jeans are much better than the upholstery foam in the knees of some leather pants and certainly better than the no armour in my leather jeans.
The only way to tell is to order a down trou on the side of the road.
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Or a little $300 label tag stitched in to an easily accessible location that the manufacturer has bribed NZTA/ACC/NZGovt for with some kind of 'application fee', more than likely forcing local bespoke manufacturers out of business due to cost of compliance....
Keep on chooglin'
Forum whore
I've said that in two preceding posts.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
They call me Mr Fahrenheit
Yeah, and I'm agreeing with you, and trying to phrase it slightly differently, because some just don't seem to get it.
Keep on chooglin'
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