Price-affordable BHS test in Wellington?

**Maki** · 31st March 2013, 10:37

Originally Posted by Erelyes

BHS itself I found not too difficult. The main thing is to fully understand what you have to do in each of the tests.

Study this until you can recite each stage from memory. Practice in a parking lot too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqpT2cbTfx8

Mine was an 'extra' $60 on top of a $90 lesson, but for just a BHST $120 sounds about right. Bear in mind your instructor has to organise a venue, drive to wherever you're doing it, lay out the course, etc etc

Thanks for the video, very interesting. I find the test inadequate, since all it really tests is your ability to take a turn of a certain radius and make an emergency stop from 20km/h. I would at the very least suggest an emergency stop from 50km/h and if you do not stop within a reasonable distance you fail.

I had my bhs with Andrew and I recommend him highly. I got the feeling that he actually cared about me and wanted me to be safe. (Please do not judge Andrew by my current riding. It's been years since my bhs and he is in no way responsible for it.)

**Vic** · 31st March 2013, 16:24

Originally Posted by davereid

Playing devils advocate, I agree that safety gear WILL help save a life, or reduce the severity of an altercation.

But motorcycling is not necessary. Its mostly done for pleasure, and doesn't need to be part of any modern transport solution.

It would be so much safer and effective just to ban motorcycles.

We would get an overnight 18 - 22x instant improvement in safety outcomes, over the alternative - a fully trained, helmeted and ATGATTED motorcyclists.

No more selfish people like me that think that it is my business alone, to choose an inherently unsafe vehicle when there are perfectly good cars available.

Someone somewhere, (your Mother, Father, Sister, Brother, SO, other relatives and friends loves me... I have a responsibility, to them, to come home in the same condition that you went out in.... and riding a motorcycle is an unnecessary risk, that I simply don't need to take.

Motorcycling IS DANGEROUS in the wrong hands, or even in the right hands.... and a total ban is the best outcome.

Every reason we have to use compulsion to make people wear safety gear, is exactly the same justification that will be used to ban motorcycles.

I've been living in NZ for a few months, and all I can say is that this is the "licences" country. You need a licence for almost everything u want to do!!. And every licence hides a business behind it. Someone is making good money thanks to laws, acts and licences.

I think safety gear is great, but incredibly expensive. And if a law enforses its use, it will be more expensive too!. Bike shops will abuse on the fact that if you don't have safety gear, u can't ride.
And why not to have a WOF for your safety gear???. U will need a WOF. NZTA must be sure that the gear u are wearing is in good condition. So now, every six month u have to pay for "wofing" your jacket, gloves and trousers?.

Nobody will ban motorcycles, they will only try to get all our money. We are good business for the government

**Milts** · 31st March 2013, 17:55

Originally Posted by Vic

I've been living in NZ for a few months, and all I can say is that this is the "licences" country. You need a licence for almost everything u want to do!!. And every licence hides a business behind it. Someone is making good money thanks to laws, acts and licences.

I think safety gear is great, but incredibly expensive. And if a law enforses its use, it will be more expensive too!. Bike shops will abuse on the fact that if you don't have safety gear, u can't ride.
And why not to have a WOF for your safety gear???. U will need a WOF. NZTA must be sure that the gear u are wearing is in good condition. So now, every six month u have to pay for "wofing" your jacket, gloves and trousers?.

Nobody will ban motorcycles, they will only try to get all our money. We are good business for the government

If you've been in germany or the netherlands, you'll know that the money made from the NZ licence system is NOTHING compared to many other countries.

In Germany it costs thousands and thousands of euros to get a licence. This includes 14 theory classes, 12 practical classes, and a first aid certificate. But, it means you are a competent driver before you reach public roads, instead of learning to drive while on a public road (with nothing except an L plate for "safety").

EDIT: On top of which, the government outsources most of the licencing/vehicle inspection process. Which means, actually, none of that money (bar transaction tax) goes to the government, it goes to the business owners.

**davereid** · 1st April 2013, 08:28

Originally Posted by Milts

Which means, actually, none of that money (bar transaction tax) goes to the government, it goes to the business owners.

Business owners, who are often given monopoly or near monopoly businesses and are free to set their own charges.

Border vehicle inspection, COF inspection, Driver Licensing testing, Driver licence printing, driver licence photos, number plate manufacture, number plate issuing, road signage manufacture, personalised plates, the list goes on and on and on.