Rego problem

[Akzle]

At a basic level it would appear there is no legal mechanism for the NZTA to get the money ie you can't be taken through a criminal court. Possibly there is a civil debt, but debt collecting companies have no powers to do anything and will never take anyone to court.

there's no lawful justification for there existence, or their ridiculous fees, and at a guess, they make enough money off every one else to not bother chasing you.

i do wonder why baycorp takes the debts though.

as far as a criminal offense: a crime requires a victim (an injured party), since you didn't injure anyone, it's not a criminal offense.

at best, a civil offense. a civil offense requires , in this instance, a breach of contract, as a legal person, registered owner, general or otherwise subject of the state, you're contracted up the wahzoo.

a debt collection company may take your legal person to court, being that most people don't have a fucking clue about court. if they've got their ducks in a row, you'll walk out with a bill and court costs on top.

as it is, LTNZ don't have any ducks, and certainly don't seem to give any to baycorp, and it's this lack of ducks that prevents any further action via the defacto "justice" system.

[davereid]

there's no lawful justification for there existence, or their ridiculous fees, and at a guess, they make enough money off every one else to not bother chasing you.

i do wonder why baycorp takes the debts though.

as far as a criminal offense: a crime requires a victim (an injured party), since you didn't injure anyone, it's not a criminal offense.

Baycorp take the debts as they get your drivers licence number, which is your ID card and the number never changes even if your name does. So its great for the database.

NZTA never pursue the debt beyond baycorp for reasons unknown to me. But possibly because they would have to prove they provided a service.

As they de-register a vehicle for non payment after two years but still continue to demand the debt, without re-instating the vehicle registration if you pay it, they are thieves.

ie even if you pay for it, they wont supply it. But its the NZTA. No surprises there.

[Akzle]

Baycorp take the debts as they get your drivers licence number, which is your ID card and the number never changes even if your name does. So its great for the database.


...But its the NZTA. No surprises there.

MY driver's license number? MY ID card??

i think you'll find in legislation, and probably even on the card, that "the license remains the property of the issuing authority"

so if they own the license............ they own the debt?

[Scuba_Steve]

i think you'll find in legislation, and probably even on the card, that "the license remains the property of the issuing authority"

so if they own the license............ they own the debt?

Why not? they also own the plates, so it's only fair the debt against them is theirs to own too

[davereid]

MY driver's license number? MY ID card??

i think you'll find in legislation, and probably even on the card, that "the license remains the property of the issuing authority"

so if they own the license............ they own the debt?

It is still your ID card. It matters not that you don't own it. Slaves don't own their iron collars either.

The next generation of ID cards is almost ready. The DIA just about have "real me" going. Then you will have an ID card you don't even carry. Those interested in ensuring they have the correct slave er citizen identified simply download it when they want it.

[Akzle]

It is still your ID card. It matters not that you don't own it. Slaves don't own their iron collars either.

The next generation of ID cards is almost ready. The DIA just about have "real me" going. Then you will have an ID card you don't even carry. Those interested in ensuring they have the correct slave er citizen identified simply download it when they want it.

no it isn't.

it identifies a corporate fiction. i am not a corporate fiction.
also, you are "the holder" of a license, not the owner.

i assume you mean microchipping.?

microwave scanners to catch speeders. awesome idea. because failing to comply with legislation should be punished severely.

[davereid]

no it isn't.

it identifies a corporate fiction. i am not a corporate fiction.
also, you are "the holder" of a license, not the owner.

It matters not that it identifies you, a corporate fiction, or whether you hold it have it or are simply constrained by it.

It exists. You will be compelled to have it. And it will be used to control your life.

[Akzle]

It matters not that it identifies you, a corporate fiction, or whether you hold it have it or are simply constrained by it.

It exists. You will be compelled to have it. And it will be used to control your life.

rather not have one then, eh?