Why should a new rider go for low-powered bikes?

[discotex]

But like I said before this is more of riding someone else bike thing. I have to give my bike a lot of throttle at 7-10rpms range to make the front wheel come up and it's 1.1L.

Unless he was overtaking in second gear or something...

That's because your ZZR1100 =/= litrebike

Your whole premise is wrong. When people say "don't go from a 250 to a 1000, just get a 600" they don't mean a sport-tourer or cruiser or some other heavy bike. They're specifically talking about sport bikes.

To give you some perspective using stats from http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/

ZZR250 - 40hp/146kg dry = p/w 0.27
Your ZZR1100 - 147hp/233kg dry = p/w 0.63
My CBR600RR - 118hp/156kg dry = p/w 0.75
2008 Gixxer - 185hp/172kg dry = p/w 1.07

So yeah a litrebike is another class and not something noobs should be riding the second they get their 6F. I always intended to trade up but never got around to it. 600 is plenty fast on the road and track.

[ducatilover]

The point is that a little throttle on one bike and the same amount on another are not the same thing - which is where mistakes/accidents can happen.

It's true, mine only lifts the front in 2nd if you're a knob opening it up over bumps and even then it's a bitch wheelie (safe so I don't flip?), it'll do 1st. But mine has silly enough gearing... 'thous are just fuggin spastic (read: ideal)

But like I said before this is more of riding someone else bike thing. I have to give my bike a lot of throttle at 7-10rpms range to make the front wheel come up and it's 1.1L.

Unless he was overtaking in second gear or something...

A real liter bike will pull the wheel up in 2nd very easy.

ZZR250 - 40hp/146kg dry = p/w 0.27
Your ZZR1100 - 147hp/233kg dry = p/w 0.63
My CBR600RR - 118hp/156kg dry = p/w 0.75
2008 Gixxer - 185hp/172kg dry = p/w 1.07

This

[Katman]

A real liter bike will pull the wheel up in 2nd very easy.

But only with a concious effort.

Contrary to popular belief, litre bikes don't stand on their back wheel under normal acceleration.

[Mushu]

I did the same with my 250cc about 10 low speed crashes. ZZR250cc don't make very good adventure tour bikes and hate 4wd tracks...

I've done hundreds of kays on gravel roads on each of my road bikes without an off (I did it specifically as a learning experience - to see if I could handle it in the worst possible grip situation) without a single off, a zzr is far easier to handle in that situation than a 600 sport, perhaps you're pushing past your abilities, if you slow down you'll learn faster.

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[94ZZR1100]

I've done hundreds of kays on gravel roads on each of my road bikes without an off (I did it specifically as a learning experience - to see if I could handle it in the worst possible grip situation) without a single off, a zzr is far easier to handle in that situation than a 600 sport, perhaps you're pushing past your abilities, if you slow down you'll learn faster.

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They where really dumb mistakes. Some off the top of my head.

OK some we all fools sometimes so don't judge me to bad on this one...
1.) At a party around new years having a few drinks. Hey I can't ride someone give me a lift "Friend": Nahhnahh just take the farm track its a private road it's only 15mins to where your staying ( Staying on a farm behind his ).

On the way back see a rabbit.... Dumbed brain says REV make it run faster! Hit throttle, hit the rabbit fall off into ditch.... MORAL OF THE STORY: Don't drive drunk EVER even if it's a private road with no traffic!

2.) Front brakes on gravel DOHHHH!

[Katman]

This place gets more retarded by the day.

[PrincessBandit]

Most sensible people, who value their lives and the lives of those around them, will be able to judge from previous experience whether or not the jump up is ok or right for them. The more applicable experience you have then I say - your choice. What bothers me is people who advocate these things as being not-a-big-deal influencing less able or less experienced riders into thinking that they will be good with it.

I took insane1's new VFR1200 for a pootle in Cornwall Park on the weekend. Very nice. (Didn't get it out of 3rd gear, mind) And he has offered to let me take it for a longer play one day soon - however he did indicate that it gets a bit hyped over 6k so I'm thinking when I do take it I'll be particularly aware that it's NOT my relatively tame bandit.

If you can think through the change in specs and handling AND not be an idiot then all should be good. It's when you let the testosterone override your sensibility that warning bells should be clanging in alarm before straddling that saddle.

[PrincessBandit]

Quite frankly Post 20 puts you in the not-sensible bracket. Save yourself heaps of $ and those who love you heaps of likely heartache and stick to what you can handle. And THAT doesn't sound like much...

[Maha]

April fools finished at midday.

[PrincessBandit]

April fools finished at midday.

Ah, but who is the joke on? this delightful poster or those of us sucked into replying to him?

Off topic completely - Easter and April Fools on the same day: tell your children to hunt for eggs you didn't hide.

[Mushu]

They where really dumb mistakes. Some off the top of my head.

OK some we all fools sometimes so don't judge me to bad on this one...
1.) At a party around new years having a few drinks. Hey I can't ride someone give me a lift "Friend": Nahhnahh just take the farm track its a private road it's only 15mins to where your staying ( Staying on a farm behind his ).

On the way back see a rabbit.... Dumbed brain says REV make it run faster! Hit throttle, hit the rabbit fall off into ditch.... MORAL OF THE STORY: Don't drive drunk EVER even if it's a private road with no traffic!

2.) Front brakes on gravel DOHHHH!

lol, you look more and more like a troll with every post, maybe you should sell your bike and go back to the 50cc scooter, or the bus.

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[ducatilover]

But only with a concious effort.

Contrary to popular belief, litre bikes don't stand on their back wheel under normal acceleration.

Yes, true in both respects. A thou will only stnad up if you feed it/be a dick

This place gets more retarded by the day.

I'm doing my bit to help, give me some fuckin' credit.


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[sootie]

I am pretty much a newbie I only rode a 250cc ZZR for 1 year or so then I got a 1100cc ZZR and I really am starting to think it's a myth that you will kill yourself if you start on a high powered bike.

It's pretty much the same but harder on the handling but still if you don't ride like a mad man I don't see how it is suicide. The front wheel does come up by mistake sometimes but it's never caused me to crash or any grief as such you simply lay off the throttle.

What is your thoughts on this? I reckon an idiots an idiot and will kill themselves on a anything > 50cc anyway.

I don't think riding experience matters much for big bikes on long straight stretches of open roads. However, have you considered:
- riding on slippery &/or wet surfaces - recovery can be very hard to do
- how not to park
- manoeuvering around crowded car parks
- how to get a bike upright again
- common sense use of gut wrenching acceleration .... ?

I found I had a few things to learn as I went bigger.

[tigertim20]

A thou will only stnad up if you feed it/be a dick



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Or if you have just got off a much lower powered bike, and didnt quite realize how much power you now have.

the same twist of the throttle on one bike might produce moderate acceleration, but a wheelie on another! - which was half my point!

[skippa1]

But only with a concious effort.

Contrary to popular belief, litre bikes don't stand on their back wheel under normal acceleration.

^^^^^^^what he said.........accidentally ending up with the front in the air is "accidentally on purpose" twisting the throttle pretty hard in a sudden movement.