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    Its funny how we almost all agree that learners should not be jumping straight onto a litrebike. - And most Learners would never contemplate a jump from a 250cc to a Litre anyhow.
    However it is interesting that, we are content to let that "mate" who used to ride 20 years ago, wants to get back into the scene, jump straight onto a big bike.

    If you actually look at the crash statistics its the "mature" riders that are the ones dying.
    Why can't we apply the same logic and stop our mates from buying that "midlife crisis" bike? or the old guy jumping straight onto a 1200cc+ Cruiser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkfish View Post
    Its funny how we almost all agree that learners should not be jumping straight onto a litrebike. - And most Learners would never contemplate a jump from a 250cc to a Litre anyhow.
    However it is interesting that, we are content to let that "mate" who used to ride 20 years ago, wants to get back into the scene, jump straight onto a big bike.

    If you actually look at the crash statistics its the "mature" riders that are the ones dying.
    Why can't we apply the same logic and stop our mates from buying that "midlife crisis" bike? or the old guy jumping straight onto a 1200cc+ Cruiser.

    Cause there is huge coin in fixing late model Harleys and sports bikes that the old dudes can afford to buy, and soon bin for the exact forgotten skills you mention.

    It would be hard to prove someone had not ridden for a period of time to implement a 'relearn' period.
    No bike regd to someone doesnt mean the guy hasnt ridden every trail in NZ for the last 20 years and thus has great bike skills, but not road skills maybe.

    Not to mention the ego damage to having a learner period enforced to an 'experienced' rider.

    I had been off the road for a good few years, raced for a few in between and am now relearning my road skills.
    As a yoof I didnt own a car for many years and commuted year round in Dorkland but that doesnt mean a lot after a good while between rides.

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    Here we have LAMS . As in learner approved motorcycle. No more stupid blanket 250cc limit for new riders. I think the LAMS are like 25 kw/tonne.
    When I lived in NZ I went from an RD400 to a GSX1100 and I survived. Im a bit out of touch with whats happening there but this place has become the Nanny State.

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    its 150kw a tonne...........

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    Doh! Your right. 25kw/ tonne means a 250 kg bike could only have about 6 kw. Actually even that would be too much for some people I know....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ducatilover View Post
    It only goes as fast as you tell it to. I've ridden Hyabusas slow

    You ride everything slow ya poof!
    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    But only with a concious effort.

    Contrary to popular belief, litre bikes don't stand on their back wheel under normal acceleration.
    That's a very broad, and misleading statement.

    My thou would hoist the front wheel in second, with no more effort than rolling the throttle. Didn't need to move my weight, or tug the bars.

    But "normal acceleration" can be taken many ways I guess.

    One would need to be fuckin retarded though, to not expect it to happen if they had the tap wide open when the needle hit about 6/7000rpm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    You ride everything slow ya poof!
    That's a very broad, and misleading statement.

    My thou would hoist the front wheel in second, with no more effort than rolling the throttle. Didn't need to move my weight, or tug the bars.

    But "normal acceleration" can be taken many ways I guess.

    One would need to be fuckin retarded though, to not expect it to happen if they had the tap wide open when the needle hit about 6/7000rpm.
    I get to ride a lot of litre bikes Drew.

    Under 'normal acceleration' they don't lift the front wheel.

    If the front wheel does lift you've accelerated harder than you needed to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisso View Post
    Here we have LAMS . As in learner approved motorcycle. No more stupid blanket 250cc limit for new riders. I think the LAMS are like 25 kw/tonne.
    When I lived in NZ I went from an RD400 to a GSX1100 and I survived. Im a bit out of touch with whats happening there but this place has become the Nanny State.
    We have LAMS here too, they bought it in last year, exactly the same rules as in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    I get to ride a lot of litre bikes Drew.

    Under 'normal acceleration' they don't lift the front wheel.

    If the front wheel does lift you've accelerated harder than you needed to.
    Yeah, I got that.

    I counter though. "Normal acceleration" for me when I owned the thou, was WFO and pointing skyward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    You ride everything slow ya poof!




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