Dealers and non LAMS bikes?

[ducatilover]

Here's what I do,
Email seller showing them LAMS list etc and explaining it is not learner legal
If no reply, or no change in advert, I report the listing with the same info and Trademe removes it

It gets up my nose when knob pulling pricks will keep the LAMS legal claim on their website/advert when they clearly know/have been shown the information that states it is not LAMS legal. It's misleading and low money grabbing tactics and I expect much more of a large dealer like Colemans. So, I'm off to find the listings.
It's almost as bad a homeopathic remedies...


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[Glowerss]

Here's what I do,
Email seller showing them LAMS list etc and explaining it is not learner legal
If no reply, or no change in advert, I report the listing with the same info and Trademe removes it

It gets up my nose when knob pulling pricks will keep the LAMS legal claim on their website/advert when they clearly know/have been shown the information that states it is not LAMS legal. It's misleading and low money grabbing tactics and I expect much more of a large dealer like Colemans. So, I'm off to find the listings.
It's almost as bad a homeopathic remedies...


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+1 to you sir. Been too busy at work today to chase it up.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=576701656
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=576701570

Are the two they've got up currently in question. They've certainly been made aware of the fact.

[blackdog]

An interesting aside then, anyone with a Hyo or 250 Ninja with an aftermarket exhaust designed to increase performance no longer has a LAMS legal bike technically?

[clonak]

An interesting aside then, anyone with a Hyo or 250 Ninja with an aftermarket exhaust designed to increase performance no longer has a LAMS legal bike technically?

Anything <250cc is automaticly learner legal, with some exceptions. So you can modify the hell out of it and it will still be legal from my understanding. The no modification rule only applies to bikes on the lams list, being bikes over 250cc but under 660cc.

[Glowerss]

An interesting aside then, anyone with a Hyo or 250 Ninja with an aftermarket exhaust designed to increase performance no longer has a LAMS legal bike technically?

The non modification clause only applies to 251ccs and up. So the hyobags and ninjas with their stupid aftermarket exhausts are OK!

This guy is legal: http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-569651319.htm

This guy is not: http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-569301082.htm

Basically, they just want people not to de-restrict bikes that have been choked down to meet LAMS laws (like that hyobag) and not to push the lams bikes over the 150kw limit by sticking zorsts n things on em.

Moral of the story: If you buy a LAMS bike leave it the fuck alone

[ducatilover]

Anything <250cc is automaticly learner legal, with some exceptions. So you can modify the hell out of it and it will still be legal from my understanding. The no modification rule only applies to bikes on the lams list, being bikes over 250cc but under 660cc.

Soooooooo my GN600 is LAMS legal? Winning!
It sits at 130ish dry (it's currently just shy of 140 wet) and 44hp. Seems legit!

[Asher]

How do custom bikes fit into LAMs? Could someone build a frame, slap in a powerful 600cc engine and lie about the numbers and get it lams approved?

[clonak]

Soooooooo my GN600 is LAMS legal? Winning!
It sits at 130ish dry (it's currently just shy of 140 wet) and 44hp. Seems legit!

Have you bored a GN250 out to 600cc ?
Or put larger barrel on...

[ducatilover]

How do custom bikes fit into LAMs? Could someone build a frame, slap in a powerful 600cc engine and lie about the numbers and get it lams approved?

I'll give it a shot?

Have you bored a GN250 out to 600cc ?
Or put larger barrel on...

DR600 motor. You can't make a GN250 lump that big, biggest you could get one is around 437cc (ish) by using a modified DR350 street crank and an 84mm bore (which is a stretch on a GN barrel with only 2mm sleeve left, but do-able and might last one minute max) from memory anyway, I worked it all out a while ago, I'm messed up or something



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[clonak]

I'll give it a shot?


DR600 motor. You can't make a GN250 lump that big, biggest you could get one is around 437cc (ish) by using a modified DR350 street crank and an 84mm bore (which is a stretch on a GN barrel with only 2mm sleeve left, but do-able and might last one minute max) from memory anyway, I worked it all out a while ago, I'm messed up or something



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ah ok, I was wondering. Didnt think you could bore it out that far, but I know there was a 300cc kit floating about for them awhile back, thought there might be a 600cc kit. But with the DR motor, you would need to certify it right ?
Also, how easy/hard was it to fit ? I suppose this counts as threat hijacking doesnt it... lol.

[Glowerss]

How do custom bikes fit into LAMs? Could someone build a frame, slap in a powerful 600cc engine and lie about the numbers and get it lams approved?

custom bikes dont fit. In order for the bike to get LAMS approved, they ask the manufcaturer for the specs directly. If your bike isn't mass produced no specs no go! Custom bikes need not apply ect. And sticking a 600 motor in a 400 frame for example definitely falls under "modifying to increase power to weight ratio

So Geoff wouldn't qualify, sorry to say DL!

[ducatilover]

Righto, in regards to the CB400 Bol D'or they have, AFAIK it will fit inside the LAMS p/weight so will apply to have it on the list.
Colemans have replied saying it's legal, even though it's not on the list. Which means it's currently not legal, as I had said to them.

It does come in at around 138kw/tonne, but the specs are saying 198kg dry and other sources say 168kg dry. So I will have to contact Honda on that one.

ah ok, I was wondering. Didnt think you could bore it out that far, but I know there was a 300cc kit floating about for them awhile back, thought there might be a 600cc kit. But with the DR motor, you would need to certify it right ?
Also, how easy/hard was it to fit ? I suppose this counts as threat hijacking doesnt it... lol.

I've got a 300 kit for one in my garage somewhere. Easy enough to fit in a GN frame.
I suppose it'll need a cert, yeah

[ducatilover]

custom bikes dont fit. In order for the bike to get LAMS approved, they ask the manufcaturer for the specs directly. If your bike isn't mass produced no specs no go! Custom bikes need not apply ect. And sticking a 600 motor in a 400 frame for example definitely falls under "modifying to increase power to weight ratio

So Geoff wouldn't qualify, sorry to say DL!

YOu got it all wrong bro :P
I have a 600 in a 400 frame, the Kawasaki
and a 600 in a 250 frame, Le Geoff



And ANY modified bike is not LAMS legal as far as I read, regardless of 250cc or not

[Glowerss]

Righto, in regards to the CB400 Bol D'or they have, AFAIK it will fit inside the LAMS p/weight so will apply to have it on the list.
Colemans have replied saying it's legal, even though it's not on the list. Which means it's currently not legal, as I had said to them.

It does come in at around 138kw/tonne, but the specs are saying 198kg dry and other sources say 168kg dry. So I will have to contact Honda on that one.





I've got a 300 kit for one in my garage somewhere. Easy enough to fit in a GN frame.
I suppose it'll need a cert, yeah

At least you got a reply you can work with! I got a shitty reply telling me essentially fuck off

It doesn't matter if they think the CB400 SF fits within the restrictions or not, if it isn't on the list it isn't legal, and they can't sell it as such.

Which years is it showing 198kg dry? Sofar as I know, in Australia, the only years the CB400 SFs are LAMS approved are the 2008 and later fuel injected models that honda made specifically to fit into the lams market, as the earlier versions were just outside.

I'd be willing to bet any site claiming 198 kg dry is quoting for the 08 and later models. The 2007 and earlier models are 168kg dry and so 152ish KW/tonne. Not legal.

Same basically applies to the SV. Albeit, the SV400 *IS* being added to the LAMS list, but it still isn't legal until late March they said when the list gets updated.

Either way, good effort mate

[ducatilover]

At least you got a reply you can work with! I got a shitty reply telling me essentially fuck off

It doesn't matter if they think the CB400 SF fits within the restrictions or not, if it isn't on the list it isn't legal, and they can't sell it as such.

Which years is it showing 198kg dry? Sofar as I know, in Australia, the only years the CB400 SFs are LAMS approved are the 2008 and later fuel injected models that honda made specifically to fit into the lams market, as the earlier versions were just outside.

I'd be willing to bet any site claiming 198 kg dry is quoting for the 08 and later models. The 2007 and earlier models are 168kg dry and so 152ish KW/tonne. Not legal.

Same basically applies to the SV. Albeit, the SV400 *IS* being added to the LAMS list, but it still isn't legal until late March they said when the list gets updated.

Either way, good effort mate

A bunch of sites are saying even pre-08s are
I believe they were 168 dry though. I'm trying to get the correct specs, the '08 on is the NC42 and it's a wee bit different to the '05-07 NC39
Owners manual may help me
I mentioned the SV in my email too.
I do understand to an extent that the team there is annoyed, but the fact of the matter is the bikes are not LAMS approved and it's wrong to advertise them as such.
That's like me advertising my ZX6/ZZR as a ZZR400, when the only untouched part is pretty much the number plate and saying that both my bikes are LAMS legal...



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