2-stroke bike advice (Enduro)

[EXCDirt]

Have had big 4t 450 and a Ktm300 (2008)
Then onto the 2010 GG Ec300 and never looked back!
Most enjoyable bike I have ridden. Easy to ride in tight tech stuff but still powerfull enough to scare you top end.
Never going to go back to 4t but will wait until direct 2t injection is sorted before my next bike.
Otherwise I would maybe just spend $$$ on suspension.

[F5 Dave]

Oh dear sounds like you have had a rough ride of it.

Rider Comfort.

If you remember John, I rode a GG300 for a couple of years. Hated the thing. I was glad to see it go. It was a soul-less machine.
Yes the motor had plenty of low grunt but it all came on using less than 25% of the throttle. After that it squirted and the back wheel lost traction. Had to short shift everywhere and only lug it up the hills. Typical big bore 2T
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No, typical badly set up 2 stroke. Std they jet them badly, I don't know why, maybe to keep them safe when they export them to countries with bad fuel & 10/w40 for premix. Decent $15 needle (heaps of info on GG site) & my preference of a flywheel weight & they are smooth & powerful. I found the GG250 agressive, I had the GG200 before & loved it, but the 300 just had more everywhere. in the wet hit the rain button & the traction is great.

Fuck I love mine.

. . .The famous Marzocchi Ohlins combination was a myth, the handling was crap. Thinking I was doing the right thing I rushed out to suspension tech to get it sorted. He didn't want to touch the thing. Said if I took off the forks and shocks he'd service them but he wouldn't set the bike up, he said the GG EC300 are a crap design to work on with everything in the way and boltheads all a different size. Anyway I was expecting a chalk and cheese difference after his revalving but was very disappointed. Cost me $800 for that experience. In hindsite why did I give him the job if he wasn't willing to be responsible for it. Needless to say, I wouldn't use him again.
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Linton at DAS is great on these. Sounds like your chap didn't know what he was doing. They are a little harsh for NZ tree roots, so a soften of HS comoression does wonders.

I could almost say the GG held back my riding style. . ..

It has helped mine. the 200 was agreat bike & so far better than the KDX I had & far easier to live with when you're tired than a big 4 stroke, but so much more exciting than a 4 stroke, shit they make you want to fall asleep, or then on the 450s try & kill you once you wind them up.

. . My advice, if you want to go down the bigbore 2T path, don't look at a GG, simply because you don't get industry wide support for the brand in Aucks. You're on your own with it...oh except for remote online help when you are looking for a part.

Not too relevent these days if your local shop is pants. I can get anything out of DAS or online & many service parts are common to CR250. Great GG forum website for advice.

[IIIRII]

Some Noob "Parking" my KTM

[IIIRII]

[oldskool]

Oh dear sounds like you have had a rough ride of it.



No, typical badly set up 2 stroke. Std they jet them badly, I don't know why, maybe to keep them safe when they export them to countries with bad fuel & 10/w40 for premix. Decent $15 needle (heaps of info on GG site) & my preference of a flywheel weight & they are smooth & powerful. I found the GG250 agressive, I had the GG200 before & loved it, but the 300 just had more everywhere. in the wet hit the rain button & the traction is great.

Fuck I love mine.




Linton at DAS is great on these. Sounds like your chap didn't know what he was doing. They are a little harsh for NZ tree roots, so a soften of HS comoression does wonders.



It has helped mine. the 200 was agreat bike & so far better than the KDX I had & far easier to live with when you're tired than a big 4 stroke, but so much more exciting than a 4 stroke, shit they make you want to fall asleep, or then on the 450s try & kill you once you wind them up.



Not too relevent these days if your local shop is pants. I can get anything out of DAS or online & many service parts are common to CR250. Great GG forum website for advice.

Well I'm glad you like yours.

The previous owner of my old GG did all sorts of tweaks to it. Stuff like putting a 10mm spacer on the PV chamber, reducing the thickness of the base gasket, after market reeds, longer spacer between carb and intake, rejetted etc, all with the endeavour to try and tame the thing. Yes it did have low down useable grunt all right...to a certain point then all would let loose. And that was after about 25% of the throttle rotation...a friend who has experience in these matters suggested an adjustable cam throttle control which most probably would have helped.

But the main issue I feel was the inability to transfer all that power to the ground for the rear wheel to hook up when you needed it to. I put it down to the suspension setup and a possible geometry issue. Hence running off to Suspension Tech. About the same time I heard another GG owner had an issue and sent his forks/shock down to ChCh to get them done there instead. He was happy with his result.

My point which every reply seems to be missing is the lack of industry support up here in Auckland. I once went to a Dirtbike shop for parts and asked them about mechanical work for it...no interest what so ever. Said although they are listed as a GG stockist they actually weren't. There is a lot of negativity about the Brand from a lot of the industry here. I am happier to stick to a brand with a lot of industry support. Others of course may have a differing opinion, which they are entitled to...barbs and all.

[F5 Dave]

...no interest what so ever. Said although they are listed as a GG stockist they actually weren't. . .

That was probably the clue, that shop might have dropped thier association after a stoush with Triumph NZ (who are a bit useless) & now held resentment.

I rarely have to go into bike shops for dirtbike parts, actually my local GG dealer is in wgtn & I'm in the hutt, but I've never bothered to get parts from them. most everything is avail at my local bike shop as an accessory, or off TM, or MX parts.co, or I just phone DAS in Chch. heck if I got super keen Mainjet in Auss sell some cool stuff. & I got my flywheel weight from GoFasters in US with a few clicks of the button.

[oldguy]

Rider Comfort.

If you remember John, I rode a GG300 for a couple of years. Hated the thing. I was glad to see it go. It was a soul-less machine.
Yes the motor had plenty of low grunt but it all came on using less than 25% of the throttle. After that it squirted and the back wheel lost traction. Had to short shift everywhere and only lug it up the hills. Typical big bore 2T

I wondered what your thoughts where on your GG, glad you like the RMZ if you remember I also had one, but some one else liked it too asshole's, and stole it.
Don't get me wrong I love the WR it has never let me down not once in the time Ive owned it, after riding it so long it seams rather tame in its power delivery was toying with the idea of throwing a set of YZ cam's in. but then thought why not go the 2T 250/300 way.

What 2t have you ridden ?
I know someone here who rode a trick wr250 and now rides a KTM 300 and says he would never go back.
You can have a squirt on noobs (my) KTM 250 some time if you are at a ride we are at, I have modified it and it has pretty much no power band, pulls like a 4t from idle so don't get sucked into thinking they come on like a switch.
People who say that kind of thing either don't know or have never tried tuning to suit how they want it to ride.
Once you get over no engine braking and the crank vibration through your feet, its all good.
Like noob said the biggest downside to ktm's is there height, which isn't that much of an issue until you stop .......

I have ridden a few 2t's but MX bikes, RM and YZ 250's one with flywheel weight fitted. not a problem, but not a enduro 2T.
Age and physical fitness are not on my side.
As with height I can not get both feet on the ground on my WR as you said isn't that much of an issue until you stop.

[oldskool]

I wondered what your thoughts where on your GG, glad you like the RMZ if you remember I also had one, but some one else liked it too asshole's, and stole it.
Don't get me wrong I love the WR it has never let me down not once in the time Ive owned it, after riding it so long it seams rather tame in its power delivery was toying with the idea of throwing a set of YZ cam's in. but then thought why not go the 2T 250/300 way.

Yeah I remember admiring your RMZ when I came by to look at your old KDX175 a few years back now.
MR MX had a tidy 2011 on the floor at a reasonable price not long ago. Would they do a trade in on your WRF?

My daughter loved her WRF too, it never let her down. It was all she needed, well for a year or so until she wanted a few more herbs. Her WRF had a shaved seat, yamalink lowered, and a low profile rear tyre so she could touch the ground. The motor was stock except for the grey wire mod and a YZF muffler. It hummed around the sandpit well enough, had a very tame powerband unless you screamed it. She loved the e-start. The trouble was, she didn't like venturing into the tricky blue or red tracks because it was a wee bit too heavy for her to pick up. She's tried a number of 2T's over the years but they don't do it for her.

So when I bought myself an RMZ, after I sold the GG, naturally she wanted to try it out. She immediately fell in love with it, the seat
height isn't that much higher than her lowered WRF. It just does everything better and she was hitting the blue and red tracks the
very same day. Even with the benefit of e-start, the WRF went straight onto Trade Me. It was yesterdays bike.

If you haven't tried Fuel Injection on a dirtbike yet, give it a go. The linear power is amazing. Although I haven't tried mapping yet, you can remap the ECU yourself or download maps from pro riders, and you update it with plug and play simplicity. You can map your own fuel and ignition settings at the track on the day with a laptop. Throttle % = RPM. It's awesome.

Here's a Suzuki example. Other brands must be similar.
http://www.cylplate.com/Bike-Tech-Suzuki-MX-Tuner



RMZ at the sandpit just a couple of weeks ago

[takitimu]

I went sxf250 and love it in the bush, next bike upgrade I'll get a 18" wheel for weekends. if I was really keen on a 2/, I'd wait for the new husky, if its direct injection it'll be a pearler, even if higher than the ktm seat wise.
Rumors out there that Yamaha might have something up their sleeve to.
My big issue with the Rmz/kxf/yzf/crf is no electric start.
The 200ktm (2013) seems to go good.
Regarding gg, it's a niche brand and that has its issues, heck ktm is niche enough let alone husaberg ( ), ktm's seem to take a pounding better than gg to.

[F5 Dave]

Heck they're more mainstream than any other brand in our group, bout 1/2doz with no real issues. not sure why people think they are like owning a Ducati in the 80s, cause they're not.

200 ktms are fun to ride, only rode an older one though. that said the guy I swapped a ride with jumped off my GG200 & raved about the (admittedly DAS tweaked) suspension.

[oldguy]

Yeah I remember admiring your RMZ when I came by to look at your old KDX175 a few years back now.
MR MX had a tidy 2011 on the floor at a reasonable price not long ago. Would they do a trade in on your WRF?

My daughter loved her WRF too, it never let her down. It was all she needed, well for a year or so until she wanted a few more herbs. Her WRF had a shaved seat, yamalink lowered, and a low profile rear tyre so she could touch the ground. The motor was stock except for the grey wire mod and a YZF muffler. It hummed around the sandpit well enough, had a very tame powerband unless you screamed it. She loved the e-start. The trouble was, she didn't like venturing into the tricky blue or red tracks because it was a wee bit too heavy for her to pick up. She's tried a number of 2T's over the years but they don't do it for her.

So when I bought myself an RMZ, after I sold the GG, naturally she wanted to try it out. She immediately fell in love with it, the seat
height isn't that much higher than her lowered WRF. It just does everything better and she was hitting the blue and red tracks the
very same day. Even with the benefit of e-start, the WRF went straight onto Trade Me. It was yesterdays bike.

If you haven't tried Fuel Injection on a dirtbike yet, give it a go. The linear power is amazing. Although I haven't tried mapping yet, you can remap the ECU yourself or download maps from pro riders, and you update it with plug and play simplicity. You can map your own fuel and ignition settings at the track on the day with a laptop. Throttle % = RPM. It's awesome.

Just watch that video, mate that girl of yours is flying along, doing those blue track no problem. is it fitted with a rekluse clutch?

the trail ride vid where her and a another girl riding get passed by some bloke who ends up missing the little bridge and ends up in the drain is so funny.

[oldskool]

Just watch that video, mate that girl of yours is flying along, doing those blue track no problem. is it fitted with a rekluse clutch?

the trail ride vid where her and a another girl riding get passed by some bloke who ends up missing the little bridge and ends up in the drain is so funny.

Yes it makes it very trail friendly.

[WStain]

If you haven't tried Fuel Injection on a dirtbike yet, give it a go. The linear power is amazing. Although I haven't tried mapping yet, you can remap the ECU yourself or download maps from pro riders, and you update it with plug and play simplicity. You can map your own fuel and ignition settings at the track on the day with a laptop.

Haha, yeah the modern 450's are awesome, you'll realise how linear they are after you've picked yourself up , dusted yourself off and thought about it for a while.

Seriously, get out there and ride as many brands as you can, then YOU will have a better idea of where you want to go. This thread is full of soooooo much BS it's not funny.
Personally - I drank the orange coolade and I ain't going back, it tasted bad.
But I'm not going to give you any other advice than the above, it really does come down to what suits you as a rider and every brand has its +zz and -zz .
I hope you find that perfect match :-)