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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    I wonder how long it would take for the NZTA to withdraw the funding if every FTE (Full Time Equivalent employee) they paid for was used to chase up historic burglaries?

    See, here's how it works. The body responsible for road safety in NZ is the NZTA. They work with the Ministry of Transport to hatch planes to reduce the road crashes.

    They do education, engineering and enforcement, contracting other bodies and agencies to actually deliver the stuff they can't do. For example, they employ a company to manufacture number plates.

    In terms of enforcement, they contract the Police to deliver certain categories of enforcement that they want done, in order to meet their goals e.g. they want 75000 hours of restraint enforcement done, so they pay the Police to go and do it.

    Right. Now, a few years back, 21% of the total Police funding came from the LAND TRANSPORT FUND. That's a bucket of cash that the gubbermint wants to spend on road safety. It comes from each annual budget. Money arrives into the Land Transport Fund from all sorts of places, including petrol taxes, fines, project funds etc etc etc. NZTA then distributes that according to their strategy.

    So the Police get about 21% (4 year old figure, don't know what it is now) of their funding specifically to road policing enforcement. The Police management then have to allocate resources to do that work. Like, no delivert oif enforcement, no 21%.

    It appears that road policing gets lots of funding, but it's actually, in my experience, less than 21% of the total Police spend. The Armed Offenders Squad costs quite a few dollars each year, but it's low profile, so people don't realise it's happening. Another example of unseen spending is the watchhouse, the cells at each nick. Staffing that is expensive, but folk don't see it happening unless they get banged up. In this way, the cops people see doing road policing appear to be the only ones actually doing much, as that's how it appears to the outsider.

    In reality, I suspect that less than 21% of our resources are spent on road policing. That means that road policing is part funding other sections of the police. For example, if all the road policing staff were sent to investigate the things that the public wants done, how long to yo suppose it would be before NZTA pulled the 21% of the funding? We'd be committing fraud, claiming our 21% and doing no road enforcement.

    The answer in regard to getting the real police work done is to increase the total budget, maintaining the road policing spend, but increasing the general policing spend.

    Now, in case you hadn't noticed, the gubbermint has been effectively reducing the depts budget by not increasing it. We keep getting told to work smarter with what we've got, as we won't be getting more. At times like these, it's easy to look at road policing and say that we are doing too much of it. The fact is that we are paid to do it, and if we don't the funding will dry up. It certainly won't benefit other police outputs if road policing shrinks.

    Still, never let facts stand in the way of a good old KB whinge.

    Time to look overseas then......
    find out how other countries do it......
    The civilised ones (not OZ)
    because most other countries seem to manage quite well without this uber anal speed extortion racket.
    AND they can manage their crime stats better then us as well...

    So a bit less bull with my cock please....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    I wonder how long it would take for the NZTA to withdraw the funding if every FTE (Full Time Equivalent employee) they paid for was used to chase up historic burglaries?

    See, here's how it works. The body responsible for road safety in NZ is the NZTA. They work with the Ministry of Transport to hatch planes to reduce the road crashes.

    They do education, engineering and enforcement, contracting other bodies and agencies to actually deliver the stuff they can't do. For example, they employ a company to manufacture number plates.

    In terms of enforcement, they contract the Police to deliver certain categories of enforcement that they want done, in order to meet their goals e.g. they want 75000 hours of restraint enforcement done, so they pay the Police to go and do it.

    Right. Now, a few years back, 21% of the total Police funding came from the LAND TRANSPORT FUND. That's a bucket of cash that the gubbermint wants to spend on road safety. It comes from each annual budget. Money arrives into the Land Transport Fund from all sorts of places, including petrol taxes, fines, project funds etc etc etc. NZTA then distributes that according to their strategy.

    So the Police get about 21% (4 year old figure, don't know what it is now) of their funding specifically to road policing enforcement. The Police management then have to allocate resources to do that work. Like, no delivert oif enforcement, no 21%.

    It appears that road policing gets lots of funding, but it's actually, in my experience, less than 21% of the total Police spend. The Armed Offenders Squad costs quite a few dollars each year, but it's low profile, so people don't realise it's happening. Another example of unseen spending is the watchhouse, the cells at each nick. Staffing that is expensive, but folk don't see it happening unless they get banged up. In this way, the cops people see doing road policing appear to be the only ones actually doing much, as that's how it appears to the outsider.

    In reality, I suspect that less than 21% of our resources are spent on road policing. That means that road policing is part funding other sections of the police. For example, if all the road policing staff were sent to investigate the things that the public wants done, how long to yo suppose it would be before NZTA pulled the 21% of the funding? We'd be committing fraud, claiming our 21% and doing no road enforcement.

    The answer in regard to getting the real police work done is to increase the total budget, maintaining the road policing spend, but increasing the general policing spend.

    Now, in case you hadn't noticed, the gubbermint has been effectively reducing the depts budget by not increasing it. We keep getting told to work smarter with what we've got, as we won't be getting more. At times like these, it's easy to look at road policing and say that we are doing too much of it. The fact is that we are paid to do it, and if we don't the funding will dry up. It certainly won't benefit other police outputs if road policing shrinks.

    Still, never let facts stand in the way of a good old KB whinge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by awayatc View Post
    Time to look overseas then......
    find out how other countries do it......
    The civilised ones (not OZ)
    because most other countries seem to manage quite well without this uber anal speed extortion racket.
    AND they can manage their crime stats better then us as well...

    So a bit less bull with my cock please....
    I can safely sa I havent seen a cop ( traffic) or otherwise for quite a while now , can remember when I saw one doing "traffic " patrol oh it does happen and on the motorway the speed sign says 80 , but most sit at around 100 to 140

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    In OZ, speed cameras inc, is now a $2 billion/yr industry! The money to the authorities is like heroin to a junkie - can't see them trying to wean themselves of it by themselves, any time soon!
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    interesting post as usual rastus.

    seems to me like the police funding model needs work
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase View Post
    you say Police Officer and I think "HOT FUZZ"

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0425112/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1


    What pissed me off last night was a "news" item that said in effect "Police intend to restrict the speed tolerance even more not just on holiday weekends".

    My question is: "What the fuck?" The police are not a policy setting organisation: they are there as a policy implementation organisation. An arm of the judiciary, if you will.

    Policy (theoretically) is set by the executive, and subject to sanction (i.e. being voted out) by the body politic. (yes, in theory).

    GRRRRRRR


    oh how quaint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by st00ji View Post
    interesting post as usual rastus.

    seems to me like the police funding model needs work
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase View Post
    or as anyone with any clue about the scientific method would say "Correlation does not equal causation: because A follows B it does not logically follow that A caused B"
    You sure about this scientific quote?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nosebleed View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase
    or as anyone with any clue about the scientific method would say "Correlation does not equal causation: because A follows B it does not logically follow that A caused B"
    You sure about this scientific quote?
    I believe it should be:


    "Correlation does not equal causation: because B follows A it does not logically follow that A caused B"
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Still, never let facts stand in the way of a good old KB whinge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    I believe it should be:


    "Correlation does not equal causation: because B follows A it does not logically follow that A caused B"
    This explains it nicely ...

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