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Thread: The battle continues! Busa v ZX14

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    Quote Originally Posted by 98tls View Post
    Correct,interesting thread but for all the wrong reasons.Put whatever numbers you like on a dial the reality is 300 clicks an hour is something fuck all will see on 2 wheels and penny to a pound nobody on here,no matter what the salesman told you....
    Ya think? I've done an indicated 275 on a ZX9R...I'm sure I could get the needle to 300 if the bike was capable. Going in a straight line is easy....braking from 275 to 40 when someones fiddled with your brake span adjustment is a different matter.

    Would like to get a ZX14R in the future....I'll have to wait till they bring out a blue colour scheme again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maha View Post
    The ZX14 wins the battle when it comes to asthetics, the Busa is butt ugly.
    I believe "distinctive" is the word you're looking for.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madness View Post
    Ed, the Busa wasn't the first and hasn't been the only one at all. It has been part of a progression starting with the ZZR1100, then the Blackbird, Gen1 Busa, ZX12-R, the ZX14, Gen2 Busa and finally the ZX14-R.
    The Gen 1 Hayabusa was the first to break 300km/h and the last to hold the title of Fastest Production Motorcycle before manufacturers started limiting their bikes. The ZX14 might be a better bike in every way but it'll never have as significant a place in the history of motorcycles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender EnZed View Post
    The Gen 1 Hayabusa was the first to break 300km/h and the last to hold the title of Fastest Production Motorcycle before manufacturers started limiting their bikes. The ZX14 might be a better bike in every way but it'll never have as significant a place in the history of motorcycles.
    You're right. A good example of good luck rather than anything else. The ZX12-R A1 was a Busa-beater right outta the box but timing meant that Kawasaki had to restrict them from the first model with a few A1 models reportedly making it off the wharf before these restrictions could be affected.

    The Hayabusa is hardly the only one of its kind though.

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    I always thought the gen 1 busa has been recorded "officially" (what ever that means) achieving an actual 312 km/hr (indicated 334) in stock form, before they were limited to indicated 300, putting their actual top speed in the 270-280's.

    Gen 2's are a bit more powerful but still limited to 300, delimited they are likely to exceed 312 actual? depends how their aero compares to the original I guess, Certainly not with my weight onboard anyway.

    Of course tires, rider weight, wind etc all play a part.

    I ride a Gen 2 Busa, at the time I bought, the Gen 2 zx14 wasn't out, I prefered the looks of the Busa over the gen 1 zx14, especially the instrument panel on the busa, after all thats what you see more off when your on it!

    The thing about these bikes that make them a joy for daily riding is the TORQUE, you hardly need to change gear, oodles of acceleration on tap in any gear any RPM, you can pull away comfortably in 3rd...

    I found myself craving a litre bike when I took it for a track day though.

    Have been meaning to test ride the latest 14 sometime.

    Though I'm not die hard, I'll happily have both in the garage if powerball comes in!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    Shirley, if it is geared to do 324km/h at 11,000rpm then it must be unless the tachometer is also over reading?

    Two Wheels Australia got the original up to 311km/h on Avalon airfield as a true top speed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    I'll see if I can find out. The original Busa had 175hp to achieve that speed whereas the latest have 197hp so it makes sense seeing as another Aussie mag got 320km/h by removing mirrors and tweaking the engine to 200hp.
    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    On the video, both bikes showed 11,000rpm and same top speed suggesting similar gearing. Would both bikes have their rev counters out by the same?
    Quote Originally Posted by *caution* View Post
    I always thought the gen 1 busa has been recorded "officially" (what ever that means) achieving an actual 312 km/hr (indicated 334) in stock form, before they were limited to indicated 300, putting their actual top speed in the 270-280's.

    Gen 2's are a bit more powerful but still limited to 300, delimited they are likely to exceed 312 actual? depends how their aero compares to the original I guess, Certainly not with my weight onboard anyway.

    Of course tires, rider weight, wind etc all play a part.

    I ride a Gen 2 Busa, at the time I bought, the Gen 2 zx14 wasn't out, I prefered the looks of the Busa over the gen 1 zx14, especially the instrument panel on the busa, after all thats what you see more off when your on it!

    The thing about these bikes that make them a joy for daily riding is the TORQUE, you hardly need to change gear, oodles of acceleration on tap in any gear any RPM, you can pull away comfortably in 3rd...

    I found myself craving a litre bike when I took it for a track day though.

    Have been meaning to test ride the latest 14 sometime.

    Though I'm not die hard, I'll happily have both in the garage if powerball comes in!
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    I agree they are not track bikes, but road bikes, whereas the litre bikes are all about racing, like the 600's. Funny thing is, the litre bikes are now puting out same or better HP, so are achieving the 300km/h limits easily.

    Has anyone topped out a Gixxer thou to record actual top speed? Are they also knobbled?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    Thereyago!
    thing is, the litre bikes are now puting out same or better HP, so are achieving the 300km/h limits easily.
    not in the same ball park torque wise though, (not that they are short on torque either!!, just that the hyper bikes are insane).

    even with the hyper bikes being heavier, the reduction in torque was quite noticable when I jumped on a late model gixxer recently
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    Not sure how well known this is but..

    Have a mate who worked for triumph was telling me they had a still born project called 200/200/200.

    The goal was a hyper bike that could achieve 200hp, 200mph, and weigh 200kg

    They got a reasonable way into it, my mate was designing the assembly line and said they had a wierd concept design where the chain went through the swining arm and it was a bit of a problem for assembly as you then had to thread it through the hole, not very effecient for assembly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 98tls View Post
    ...penny to a pound nobody on here...
    Bounced my Ray Clee tuned, 190 rear wheel horse power, ex Haldane superbike of the limiter in top cog a couple times. Wearing a 195/60 section rear hoop too.

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    I watched a vid of a Gixxer thou on test at Phillip Island with the speedo reading 299 in 5th!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    I watched a vid of a Gixxer thou on test at Phillip Island with the speedo reading 299 in 5th!
    Ignored the speedo on my road going gixxer. Above 100k's the speedo inaccuracy increased exponentially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Ignored the speedo on my road going gixxer. Above 100k's the speedo inaccuracy increased exponentially.
    The Gixxer forum I looked up said the Gearing Commander calculated top speed to be 291km/h at redline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    The Gixxer forum I looked up said the Gearing Commander calculated top speed to be 291km/h at redline.
    Sounds about right. Only time my K2 hit the limiter in top was when you leaned it over going through some kinks on the fastest part of the cliffhanger hill climb. I thought it was clutch slip till we realised it was getting off the tallest part of the tyre and effectively gearing it lower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    Two Wheels Australia got the original up to 311km/h on Avalon airfield as a true top speed.
    Quote Originally Posted by *caution* View Post
    I always thought the gen 1 busa has been recorded "officially" (what ever that means) achieving an actual 312 km/hr (indicated 334) in stock form, before they were limited to indicated 300, putting their actual top speed in the 270-280's.

    John Hepburn ran 307kmh at Edendale in 2000 on a Hayabusa which was a NZ record at the time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    John Hepburn ran 307kmh at Edendale in 2000 on a Hayabusa which was a NZ record at the time
    I remember now, that was impressive. There were some wild claims made at the time, mainly by Pommie mags of a genuine 320 but I reckoned the Aus and NZ reports were right.
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    Are you sure ??

    Quote Originally Posted by kiwifruit View Post
    Neither will do 300kmh in stock trim.

    300kmh indicated, sure!
    I think you will find this one might do 315kph plus in current stock trim !!

    http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=589341800

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