LAMS recommendations?

[Robbie_]

Hi guys,

I've just made the jump to Aus. I've got my full bike license in NZ but due to being only 19 I now have to go back a class stage, putting me back down into the LAMS list. So for the next two years, I have to go back to a learners bike again..

Like I'm sure most of you guys have, I've had a couple of looks at the LAMS list. I was wanting to know, are there really any bikes that stick out? I use it for everything commuting, scratching up the back streets and if possible a bit of 2 up. I see they've gotten rid of all the 2 stroke rockets which I first looked for.

I'm more into my sport riding. However I'm quite partial to super motard style or similar to duke monsters.

I'll try apply for an exemption, however I don't think " I want more poke" is really a justifiable excuse..

[Danzano]

Ninja 650 or er6n I have one love it


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[Old Steve]

Ducati put together a LAMS approved Monster 649 (I think that's the number, it's below 650 - or whatever the LAMS limit is - anyway).

Don't know if it's available here in OZ, at the age of 64 I just had my Kiwi license switched straight over to a QLD one so when I get another bike I won't have to worry about models and engine sizes.

[Robbie_]

Cheers, I'd probably be looking at about a $5k budget, which makes the duke out of my range

[Icemaestro]

Cheers guys.
I was just talking to one of the managers of the Ussyless group. He was saying his son ( Who was around my age) had a similar problem with not wanting a LAMS list.
What he did, was get the restricted version of the hyosung GT650r which for the cops and rego papers has the restricted VIN.
Apparently, the restrictor on this bike is on the throttle body which is quite easy to remove.

So, not as powerful as the 954's I was just previously looking at, but at least a bit better

It's the same deal as the ER6f/n - the restricter is easy to remove - take out a plug, plus the throttle stop and you are away laughing (I don't think there is an ecu mod in there, but that would be easy to sort if there is in the new ones). I personally would take the kawa over the hyosung (though I do own the ER6-F so I am biased)!. Although if you are looking for a non LAMS er6.....:-P

[Glowerss]

Stay away from ordinary bikes restricted down to be LAMS bikes. IE the ER6n lams version is going to hard/imposible to find used, and will be extremely overpriced for what it is. They'll all almost certainly be out of your budget range, and aren't really worth it to begin with.

Try and find bikes that naturally fit into LAMS. Things CB400 superfours and bros 400s. They sell Cb400SFs new in Oz and have since 08. They're pretty popular (from what I've read) and would be a pretty fabulous bikes. Might be able to find some of the earlier ones within your price range.

GS500s are also pretty good.

If you can find an RVF400 within budget, that would be the absolute best you could do. I've no idea what the grey imports market is like in Oz though.

A couple other bikes that are becoming LAMS approved here are the SV400 and GSR400, both of which would be pretty decent as well (assuming they're lams approved there).

[Old Steve]

You'll find that bikes here are the same number of dollars as they are in NZ, it's just that they're Aussie dollars!

[Larksea]

Ducati put together a LAMS approved Monster 649 (I think that's the number, it's below 650 - or whatever the LAMS limit is - anyway).

Don't know if it's available here in OZ, at the age of 64 I just had my Kiwi license switched straight over to a QLD one so when I get another bike I won't have to worry about models and engine sizes.

it's a 659

the lams limit is 660

I'd love to try one of those bikes though I'm happy with my vt250, what I'm not happy with is the 18 month wait from restricted to full. It's really not necessary and pointless for older riders

[Vinz0r]

it's a 659

the lams limit is 660

I'd love to try one of those bikes though I'm happy with my vt250, what I'm not happy with is the 18 month wait from restricted to full. It's really not necessary and pointless for older riders

Not trying to start an argument here, but just wondering why you think that a graded license system is pointless for older riders? You still need to gain the necessary skills and proficiency to operate a motorcycle in a safe manner so that you won't end up harming yourself or others. This takes a certain amount of time time regardless of whether you're 20 or 40.

[Larksea]

Not trying to start an argument here, but just wondering why you think that a graded license system is pointless for older riders? You still need to gain the necessary skills and proficiency to operate a motorcycle in a safe manner so that you won't end up harming yourself or others. This takes a certain amount of time time regardless of whether you're 20 or 40.

not sure what you mean but I will explain myself using me as an example

I'm 34 years old and I now have my restricted. I have to wait 18 months before I can sit my full license which is basically the same as the restricted license test maybe even easier.

is there something magical that is going to happen in the next 18 months? The reality is I don't need to do a single km on my bike between now and then and when that time comes I don't need to prove I am better than I was when I sat my restricted, I wont be tested on anything extra. I'm not magically going to be a better rider when I'm 35 or 36 as I said I don't actually even need to ride at all in that 18 months. There is no incentive to do a course and reduce that wait

At my age, all it is is an 18 month wait. Their doesn't actually seem to be a real point to it other than making the process take more time, I wont be measurably more mature in 18 months, nothing magical will happen that means I will be able to deal with driving between 10pm and 5am, carry a passenger or handle a more powerful bike. And the full license test doesn't even test these aspects.....

I could literally put my bike rego on hold for 18 months, renew it then and get some practice for a month or heck even just a week then get my full license.

An idea for an actual system that makes sense. reduce the wait to 6 months and add in a course that goes over the finer details of advanced riding you done encounter on a learner or restricted license specifically carrying a passenger and riding more powerful/heavier bikes. And just assume that at 35 my mommy allows me out after 10pm there would obviously be a minimum age for that "wait reduction" say 21.

[Old Steve]

I could literally put my bike rego on hold for 18 months, renew it then and get some practice for a month or heck even just a week then get my full license.

What? Aren't you a motorbike rider? Don't you want to be out on your bike just every chance you can get, on whatever bike you have? Or do you want a motorbike for some other reason, so you can park it up outside Starbucks and look at it through the window while you have your double expresso.

Get out there and ride whatever you've got! I started riding at 64, did 20 months on my 250 learner as I didn't feel as if I was ready to move up to a bigger bike until I'd done 24,000 km. Those kilometres under your wheels will be good for you.

[Larksea]

What? Aren't you a motorbike rider? Don't you want to be out on your bike just every chance you can get, on whatever bike you have? Or do you want a motorbike for some other reason, so you can park it up outside Starbucks and look at it through the window while you have your double expresso.

Get out there and ride whatever you've got! I started riding at 64, did 20 months on my 250 learner as I didn't feel as if I was ready to move up to a bigger bike until I'd done 24,000 km. Those kilometres under your wheels will be good for you.

yeah I love riding, I wont be doing so much over the winter but for sure the first thing I do in the morning is check the weather on my phone and if rain chances are low my bike will get used every time.

I'm just pointing out flaws in the system. And even I already kind of did it. I mean I got my learner license and didn't even have a bike for the majority of my wait to get my restricted.

the system kinda just hopes or assumes you will get riding experience and it doesn't really check or ensure that you do.