Speed kills! Except it doesn't

[Phil.T.Tipp]

Open speed limits for Territory?

Government reviews decision to lower speed limits after road toll didn't drop significantly.

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/o...508-2j6zy.html

Ze Germans know all about this.

Discuss.

[Mental Trousers]

Speed is an amplifier. Make a mistake at 70kph and often the driver doesn't even realize they made a mistake. Make the same mistake at 120kph and it's a totally different ball game.

[Phil.T.Tipp]

Speed is an amplifier. Make a mistake at 70kph and often the driver doesn't even realize they made a mistake. Make the same mistake at 120kph and it's a totally different ball game.

However, the stats don't back your position up. Clicky on the article again.

Hmmmm.

[p.dath]

Wow, great article, and so close to home.

[superjackal]

Open speed limits for Territory?

Government reviews decision to lower speed limits after road toll didn't drop significantly.

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/o...508-2j6zy.html

Ze Germans know all about this.

Discuss.

Completed an AA survey recently and it asked what the highest speed I'd be comfortable travelling on NZ roads would be, 250kph was the highest you could enter. Given road conditions I don't think we should have a limit at all. But, I'd be happy with blanket 50kph in surburban/high density areas.

Imagine if you could zip between Auckland and Wellington in 3 hours...

From my experience on the autobahns most cars travel about 140kph. It's only the performance machines that go higher. For the record, 162mph in an '84 911 was my highest. Felt greeeeeeaaaat.

[caspernz]

Ze main point of difference is that in NZ you can still obtain ze drivers licence from ze Weetbix packet (in practical terms)...whereas the Germanic one requires serious study and proof of ability to operate ze motorised vehicle, not to mention the cost of lessons etc.

And as for the Autobahn being a free for all is pure myth. Very few sections of the Autobahn are unlimited nowadays.

[Mental Trousers]

However, the stats don't back your position up. Clicky on the article again.

Hmmmm.

You must be reading a different article to me.

[Scuba_Steve]

From my experience on the autobahns most cars travel about 140kph.

And that's just it, without the speed scam people will actually self regulate pretty well, 80% will travel around the same speed (a safe comfortable one) & the roads would be much safer for it.

[Phil.T.Tipp]

Ze main point of difference is that in NZ you can still obtain ze drivers licence from ze Weetbix packet (in practical terms)...whereas the Germanic one requires serious study and proof of ability to operate ze motorised vehicle, not to mention the cost of lessons etc.

And as for the Autobahn being a free for all is pure myth. Very few sections of the Autobahn are unlimited nowadays.

Ja correct, but a leeetle incorrect also.

Wiki quote: "The German autobahns are famous for being among the few public roads in the world without blanket speed limits for cars and motorbikes.

Speed limits do apply at junctions and other danger points like sections under construction or in need of repair. Speed limits at non-construction sites are generally between 100 km/h and 130 km/h; construction sites usually have a speed limit of 80 km/h but may be as low as 60 km/h or, in very rare cases, 40 km/h. Certain stretches have lower speed limits used in cases of wet lanes. Some areas have a speed limit of 120 km/h in order to reduce noise pollution during overnight hours (usually 10pm – 6am) or because of increased traffic during daytime (6am – 8pm)

Some limits were imposed to reduce pollution and noise. Limits can also be temporarily put into place through dynamic traffic guidance systems that display the according traffic signs. On all Autobahns the advisory speed limit is 130 km/h, referred to in German as the Richtgeschwindigkeit; this speed is not binding but being involved in an accident driving at higher speeds can lead to the driver being deemed at least partially responsible due to "increased operating danger" (Erhöhte Betriebsgefahr). Studies showed that the average speed on autobahns without speed limits is about 140 km/h.[14] On average, more than an eighth of the total length of the German autobahn network has no speed limit at all, about one third has a permanent limit, and the remaining parts have a temporary or conditional limit."

You are absolutely correct re ze German driver training, awareness and behaviour. Even in my humble experience, when a driver in Lane 1 - not the 'Fast' or 'Overtaking' lane - sees another vehicle closing on his 6 o'clock apace, he/she will indicate and move over to allow the faster vehicle passage, as it is most logical and sensible to do. All very German.

Can you imagine the caged monkeys, with the free-with-a-Weetabix licences in this country adhering to the general principles of watch-the-fuck-out and don't-be-a-dick?

Chanceless mein freund.

[Phil.T.Tipp]

You must be reading a different article to me.

Suit yerself.

[oneofsix]

I didn't see anything about speed being a magnifier in that article. I can agree with the comment that lower limits increase fatigue, you notice when you have been driving in an 100k area and then for no noticeable reason (the road is just as boring, no schools crossroads etc) the limit drops and you feel fatigued. I saw as much biased opinion from some of the Profs in their as occurs on KB, seems just because they put Prof in front of their name you are meant to accept their opinion even though they don't back it up with facts.

Mankind has not yet been able to reach speeds that kill but we have past the speed of sound and lived to tell the tale.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I didn't see anything about speed being a magnifier in that article. I can agree with the comment that lower limits increase fatigue, you notice when you have been driving in an 100k area and then for no noticeable reason (the road is just as boring, no schools crossroads etc) the limit drops and you feel fatigued. I saw as much biased opinion from some of the Profs in their as occurs on KB, seems just because they put Prof in front of their name you are meant to accept their opinion even though they don't back it up with facts.

Mankind has not yet been able to reach speeds that kill but we have past the speed of sound and lived to tell the tale.

I want to be the first to exceed the speed of light. That'd be cool.

[oneofsix]

I want to be the first to exceed the speed of light. That'd be cool.

you could then be the one to see if Albert was right, of course if he was you will also be the first to be killed by speed. presuming having your atoms spread out would kind of kill you.

[FJRider]

... Make the same mistake at 120kph and it's a totally different ball game.

But the good news is ... the higher the speed ... the less time you have to worry about what the end result of that mistake will be.

[FJRider]

Mankind has not yet been able to reach speeds that kill but we have past the speed of sound and lived to tell the tale.

Speeding doesn't kill you ....

It's the manner in which you stop that's the critical factor in your longevity ...