Speed kills! Except it doesn't

[Berries]

Have they ever considered a test run ?

Saturday afternoons in Central come close.

[swbarnett]

Can you imagine the caged monkeys, with the free-with-a-Weetabix licences in this country adhering to the general principles of watch-the-fuck-out and don't-be-a-dick?

Most certainly.

After a bed-in period of total bedlam most people will wise up. The others will have already removed themselves from the road (either fatally or in favour of other forms of transport).

Remember: Expect idiots, get idiots.

[Ocean1]

You must be reading a different article to me.

The one I read said that introducing speed limits had increased NT accident rates, it compared NT to the rest of Au, where they'd reduced.

That's historically been the case pretty much every time such changes have been made.

But faced with simple facts there'll always be people who don't like the logical implication, and manage to find facts to support their own opinion.

Nowt wrong with that, it's human.

[Mental Trousers]

The one I read said that introducing speed limits had increased NT accident rates, it compared NT to the rest of Au, where they'd reduced.

That's what I read too.

[carburator]

id have to dig through the hd to find the dash cam footage of dickheads having near misses passing the trucks in the NT..

its not the speed that kills, its the people who cannot drive to the conditon's of the road and also the condition of there
vehicle..

[Berries]

We all know speed doesn't kill. I am surprised people don't accept the simple physics put up my Mr Trousers though that the faster you go the quicker things happen if something does go wrong.

Anyway, ten bucks says the NT government don't go back and lift the speed limits again.

[Ocean1]

We all know speed doesn't kill. I am surprised people don't accept the simple physics put up my Mr Trousers though that the faster you go the quicker things happen if something does go wrong.

Haven't seen anyone deny it.

Neither have I seen anyone deny that in most cases fewer accidents occur where there's either no speed limits or where the limits are higher.

So, which is the stronger juju, given that there's also fewer fatalities where there's more liberal speed compliance?

Anyway, ten bucks says the NT government don't go back and lift the speed limits again.

Which implies central and local govt might ignore pertinent data when setting policy. Really?

[swbarnett]

We all know speed doesn't kill. I am surprised people don't accept the simple physics put up my Mr Trousers though that the faster you go the quicker things happen if something does go wrong.

Only given the exact same vehicle and driver. A well maintained vehicle operated in a competant manner is just as safer at higher speeds than an old dunger operated by a distracted moron.

[Akzle]

Only given the exact same vehicle and driver. A well maintained vehicle operated in a competant manner is just as safer at higher speeds than an old dunger operated by a distracted moron.

unfortunately for your thesis: it's usually distracted morons in well maintained vehicles and competent drivers in old dungers....

[swbarnett]

unfortunately for your thesis: it's usually distracted morons in well maintained vehicles and competent drivers in old dungers....

While that may be (although I've not seen any evidence of that relationship), I'm just trying to illustrate that speed is only one of a miriad of factors and there is no merit in singling it out for attention.

[Berries]

Neither have I seen anyone deny that in most cases fewer accidents occur where there's either no speed limits or where the limits are higher.

So, which is the stronger juju, given that there's also fewer fatalities where there's more liberal speed compliance?

If you threw driving standards in to that mix I'd agree with you. No speed limits, higher limits or liberal compliance is fine if supported by decent driving standards on decent roads. If you take NZ as an example, I don't think we have the decent roads, let alone decent drivers, to lift the speed limit too far. More like India than any European country I've been to.

[Big Dave]

i like going fast.

that is all.

I like Pina coladas and walks in the rain.

[jonbuoy]

I don't think it's rocket science that hitting an object at 80kph is going to hurt less than hitting an object at 120 kph. The trick is to not hit anything in the first place. Average dual carriageway speed here is about 130 kph and when they do have crashes they are pretty bad.

[Ocean1]

If you threw driving standards in to that mix I'd agree with you. No speed limits, higher limits or liberal compliance is fine if supported by decent driving standards on decent roads. If you take NZ as an example, I don't think we have the decent roads, let alone decent drivers, to lift the speed limit too far. More like India than any European country I've been to.

It wasn't an opinion, dude, it's verifiable fact. Wherever speed restrictions are introduced or made more restrictive accidents increase and vice versa. If that were the case in just a coule of instances I'd agree that NZ's driving standards might be a factor, but the data's not just from supposedly highly skilled countries.

The data in question is from NT. Have you driven much in Aussie? their driving is on par with NZ, at best. In WA and NT it's worse. Their vehicle fleet is similar to ours, culture is similar, in short there's no aberant variable that might explain why higher limits are less dangerous for them but would be more so for us.

I know it's not intuitively obvious, and officialdom of all sorts are certainly not tripping over each other in shaping transport policy accordingly, but it's true nonetheless.

The NZ drivers are crap thing... is it fact or fiction, do you think? If true what causes it?

[oneofsix]

The NZ drivers are crap thing... is it fact or fiction, do you think? If true what causes it?

Do you really want to open that can of worms? Too late you asked the question and I'l stir the pot. NZ drivers are not crap. They are no worse than any other countries drivers and sadly no better. We have different cultural drivers to the likes of the Germans and Scandinavians etc which makes the driving different. I have seen video of a german pedestrian in the middle of the night with no traffic around waiting on the crossing light to change, this isn't due to their road sense or any such crap but more their culture of obeying TPTB, too many Irish, Scots and maori descendents in NZ for that to ever work here. We don't have the traffic volumes to keep us in line, we can see that gap ahead and know there is a slow ignorant prick holding us up, we know if we can just get past them we will have a smooth trip to the next latte.

As to the much spoken of driver training in Germany, it works because they obey, in NZ, as at present, we would pay lip service until we past and then go back to changeling the rule of authority and being just as annoyed by the prick that speeds up in the passing land and slows down after, whereas again the Germans clear the way for faster traffic.