Speed kills! Except it doesn't

[Banditbandit]

I like Pina coladas and walks in the rain.

Drinking sickly sweet shit and getting wet ... not my idea of fun .. just sayin' ...

[caspernz]

Ja correct, but a leeetle incorrect also.

Wiki quote: "The German autobahns are famous for being among the few public roads in the world without blanket speed limits for cars and motorbikes.


Can you imagine the caged monkeys, with the free-with-a-Weetabix licences in this country adhering to the general principles of watch-the-fuck-out and don't-be-a-dick?

Chanceless mein freund.

Some of us don't need wikipedia...we can make our own mind up based on what we experience. The average European driver is competent and co-operative in making traffic flow...something which the majority of NZ drivers are shall we say less than skilled at?

As for speed limits, yes your wikipedia quote is in the ballpark, but for the most part during periods most traffic travels you'll find few sections where hammer down is de rigeur...

[red mermaid]

I always thought France was in Europe, and they have a reputation for been rude and arrogant drivers.

Some of us don't need wikipedia...we can make our own mind up based on what we experience. The average European driver is competent and co-operative in making traffic flow...something which the majority of NZ drivers are shall we say less than skilled at?

As for speed limits, yes your wikipedia quote is in the ballpark, but for the most part during periods most traffic travels you'll find few sections where hammer down is de rigeur...

[caspernz]

I always thought France was in Europe, and they have a reputation for been rude and arrogant drivers.

Meh, I'll still take the average frog over the average kiwi behind the wheel, at least that's been my personal experience. Paris is a bit hectic, but still easier than Auckland

[Swoop]

I like Pina coladas and walks in the rain.

I guess that explains why cocktails have those little umbrellas then?

[Erelyes]

Some of us don't need wikipedia...we can make our own mind up based on what we experience. The average European driver is competent and co-operative in making traffic flow...something which the majority of NZ drivers are shall we say less than skilled at?

As for speed limits, yes your wikipedia quote is in the ballpark, but for the most part during periods most traffic travels you'll find few sections where hammer down is de rigeur...

I have seen first-hand an Italian double-park (no hazard lights), go into the shop, get two slices of pizza and a large (650ml?) Peroni, down the lot in five minutes, then be on his merry way with full DILLIGAF mode engaged. This didn't exactly stick out like a sore thumb either, driving wise.

The 'average' European driver is like taking the average of twenty numbers, each of which range randomly from 1 to 100.

[swbarnett]

Some of us don't need wikipedia...we can make our own mind up based on what we experience. The average European driver is competent and co-operative in making traffic flow...something which the majority of NZ drivers are shall we say less than skilled at?

And why is that? Well, I have a theory: NZ's traffic simply isn't dense enough yet for people to realise that not helping the general traffic flow is self-deprecating.

Just look at what happens to Auckland rush-hour when the traffic lights are out; interesctions work better with a lot more courtesy than they ever do when under artificial control.

[Scuba_Steve]

The biggest prob with NZ drivers is the NZTA/Govt...
We've got a licencing system where being able to drive is optional
They've flooded the roads with pretty lights, barriers & "guide lines" why think when the road will tell you what to do?
And on-top of all else we've got cars that all but drive themselves.

NZers can drive if required, just hit a backroad you'll start to see people who pull over to let faster vehicles past, will drive to conditions, will flow very well despite lack of markings, lights, signs telling them what to do.

[scumdog]

NZ drivers are not crap. They are no worse than any other countries drivers and sadly no better....As to the much spoken of driver training in Germany, it works because they obey, in NZ, as at present, we would pay lip service until we past and then go back to changeling the rule of authority

Hence why Kiwis ARE crap drivers.

No idea of impending doom they sail down the road with little regard to what is happening around them and no defensive techniques in mind - then seem surprised when their hopeless driving 'skills' turn pear-shaped and they end up in mess of tangled bodies and panels...

[willytheekid]

The biggest prob with NZ drivers is the NZTA/Govt...
We've got a licencing system where being able to drive is optional
They've flooded the roads with pretty lights, barriers & "guide lines" why think when the road will tell you what to do?
And on-top of all else we've got cars that all but drive themselves.

NZers can drive if required, just hit a backroad you'll start to see people who pull over to let faster vehicles past, will drive to conditions, will flow very well despite lack of markings, lights, signs telling them what to do.

So much +1

Wanna improve Kiwi drivers?...its actually reallly easy!

...introduce "real" driver license testing and real punishments for drunk drivers and the like.(driving is NOT a right!)

But theres not much profit to be made in having a nation of competant drivers ....besides, its so much easier to pay a monkey sweet fuck all, to go out and just put up a lowered speed sign!, than to actually address the issue at its source!...and once again, SO much more profitable!

..."all about public safety!"...pffft please!

ps:...as for the BS speed limits!, we seem to be the ONLY country in the developed world that are REDUCING speed limits instead of increasing them!, hence...4k over etc, sure as SHIT aint speeding!, or dangerous!, its just another BS! reason to rip the average Kiwi off and a blantant effort to reduce traffic congestion for the Higher earners and there "holiday boating trips", through a campaign of fear, bullying and intimidation!...A safety campaign!.....pffft!...what ever!

[cheshirecat]

Meh, I'll still take the average frog over the average kiwi behind the wheel, at least that's been my personal experience. Paris is a bit hectic, but still easier than Auckland

Same - really enjoyed riding in France though Arc D'Triomphe required a tail gunner.

Was seen off once by two nuns in a 2CV, their hats sticking up through the sun roof. I was riding a CB750 all tricked out Koni's, SW's etc. It was a narrow cambered farm lane, pot holes etc and I couldn't stay with them especially when they took a 90 degree corner at 40kph! Should have gone and let them take my confession.

[bluninja]

Same - really enjoyed riding in France though Arc D'Triomphe required a tail gunner.

Should try going round it on a bicycle....a real adrenaline rush....but no matter how manic they drive they somehow make space for cyclists.

[Voltaire]

On the up side Kiwis don't use the horn constantly, I was in Shanghai a few years back and our driver was on the horn and headlight flasher the whole time....as was everybody else.

[FJRider]

On the up side Kiwis don't use the horn constantly, I was in Shanghai a few years back and our driver was on the horn and headlight flasher the whole time....as was everybody else.

But they don't use their indicators either ....

[rastuscat]

The NZ drivers are crap thing... is it fact or fiction, do you think? If true what causes it?

Just a couple of observations.

Folk frequently want to be allowed to go faster. This claim is made shortly after the observation that the standard of driving in NZ is poor.

So, poor drivers going faster. Good idea.