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    Quote Originally Posted by Yokai
    Read "Long Way Round" - Loved that book - read it in 2 days straight.
    Got it for Christmas. It's about two down in my "to read" pile...
    "Standing on your mother's corpse you told me that you'd wait forever." [Bryan Adams: Summer of 69]

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    I've since read the book again late in 2004 and its much more enjoyable the second time around. Having an idea of where the heck he's going with talking about Phadreus (his pre institutionalised self for those that haven't got that far into it) let me spend more time thinking about the concepts he discusses and less time trying to figure what the links were between the journey/phadreus and philosophy!

    Definitely a book to be read over a nice relaxed holiday break or at least not in a hurry.

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    here ya go, if you can't find a copy

    http://www.virtualschool.edu/mon/Quality/PirsigZen/

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    Got a copy on my bookshelf if anyone wants it. For philosophical wanderings I tend to read Philip K Dick, for serious stuff I tend to go toward postmodernism (deconstruction, critical theory) and interpretivism (social constructionism etc.)
    I kind of broke my brain on Hegelian dialectic and I have suffered cognitive dissonance ever since. It doesn't help that I have a balanced emphasis between right and left brain hemispheres.
    Electric circuitry has overthrown the regime of ‘time’ and ‘space’ and pours upon us instantly and continuously the concerns of all other men. It has reconstituted dialogue on a global scale. Its message is Total Change. [McLuhan and Fiore, 1967:16]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Bob
    Got a copy on my bookshelf if anyone wants it. For philosophical wanderings I tend to read Philip K Dick, for serious stuff I tend to go toward postmodernism (deconstruction, critical theory) and interpretivism (social constructionism etc.)
    I kind of broke my brain on Hegelian dialectic and I have suffered cognitive dissonance ever since. It doesn't help that I have a balanced emphasis between right and left brain hemispheres.
    Critical Theory doesn't necessarily have to be pigeon-holed as a postmodern concept. Have you read any Jurgen Habermas at all? That's more my flavour of Critical Theory. It might help the cognitive dissonance thing a bit.
    If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2
    Critical Theory doesn't necessarily have to be pigeon-holed as a postmodern concept. Have you read any Jurgen Habermas at all? That's more my flavour of Critical Theory. It might help the cognitive dissonance thing a bit.
    And of course there's the whole structuralist/post structuralist thing too. John Sturrock - good for that. Haven't read Habermas - how difficult is he?
    Yokai - bendamindaday

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2
    Critical Theory doesn't necessarily have to be pigeon-holed as a postmodern concept. Have you read any Jurgen Habermas at all? That's more my flavour of Critical Theory. It might help the cognitive dissonance thing a bit.
    I tend not to pidgeon hole, but I often have to teach them and therefore they need to know where to perch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yokai
    And of course there's the whole structuralist/post structuralist thing too. John Sturrock - good for that. Haven't read Habermas - how difficult is he?
    Habermas covers the whole spectrum of difficulty, from newspaper articles, to comparing the values of the Enlightenment with those of the Postmodern Decontructionist movement. His apparent "humanity" is what attracts me to his writing though. His native tongue is German, which tends to mean somewhat formal translations arise.

    http://www2.pfeiffer.edu/~lridener/c.../legitcri.html

    That's a 1975 article, but it raises issues that should have been considered before the seabed and foreshore issues were raised here. The process of legitimation was instead abrogated by politicians to the voting public.
    If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Bob
    I tend not to pidgeon hole, but I often have to teach them and therefore they need to know where to perch.
    I understand entirely. I got support from my lecturer, but a bit of mild criticism from the head of school for daring to cite Habermas in a Human Communication Theory paper. Not my fault! Littlejohn brought it up!
    If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Bob
    It doesn't help that I have a balanced emphasis between right and left brain hemispheres.
    How do you know this? :spudwhat:
    Are you left-handed, perchance?
    ... and that's what I think.

    Or summat.


    Or maybe not...

    Dunno really....


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    Quote Originally Posted by vifferman
    How do you know this? :spudwhat:
    Are you left-handed, perchance?
    You can get tests off the interwebby, I have done a few as part of teaching and they all pretty much tell me that I am a confused individual that can think in multiple ways without the surety of knowing that there is ever a single correct answer.

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