Things I learned from the accident scene

[BigAl]

we were doing 30-40kmh - way slower than any of the other bikes on twilight rd.. idiots.

Yeah but they didn't get hit did they?

Perhaps you should have been faster and therefore avoiding an incident.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Well that didnt take long. Hope your mate heals ok

[nzspokes]

Yeah but they didn't get hit did they?

Perhaps you should have been faster and therefore avoiding an incident.

Fucked if I would go faster than that up Twilight. The road is shit.

[slowpoke]

I got my mate out from under his bike, got him safe, made sure the other driver was safe, secured the scene so it was safe for others to pass. I didnt take pics till I had done that and this was not such a good idea. I should have grabbed a few before I moved even the smallest bit of wreckage.

I disagree with your highlighted statement. The last thing you want is another accident caused by the first accident, so securing the scene always takes precedence. Documenting the scene comes well down the list of priorities.

[iYRe]

Yeah but they didn't get hit did they?

Perhaps you should have been faster and therefore avoiding an incident.

No, they didnt.. and no they shouldnt.

I disagree with your highlighted statement. The last thing you want is another accident caused by the first accident, so securing the scene always takes precedence. Documenting the scene comes well down the list of priorities.

I highlighted "secure the scene", then once everyone is safe, take a quick snap. There was someone else there to help by that stage so they could have stopped any cars for the few secs it would have taken to snap a couple of pics.

[Tigadee]

Also add as an insurance and legal point - never admit liability

Isn't that why there's SMIDSY? Everytime I hear "Sorry mate I didn't see you", I think it's just the driver's way of escaping responsibility/liability even if they'd seen you...

To my mind, that makes it even more important to wear high-vis... Not because it works, but because you can tell the judge "How can he not have seen me? I looked like a strip bar sign on two wheels!"

[Maha]

so has Azkle, right?

Self appointed winners ...are just that.

[iYRe]

Isn't that why there's SMIDSY? Everytime I hear "Sorry mate I didn't see you", I think it's just the driver's way of escaping responsibility/liability even if they'd seen you...

To my mind, that makes it even more important to wear high-vis... Not because it works, but because you can tell the judge "How can he not have seen me? I looked like a strip bar sign on two wheels!"

"I had a high viz vest, and an aircraft search light flashing at 100 pulses per second and he still didnt see me..."

[Tigadee]

"I had a high viz vest, and an aircraft search light flashing at 100 pulses per second and he still didnt see me..."

Precisely, and who is the cop/judge going to believe?

[iYRe]

yeah, ah well.. life sucks.

In this case I even said to the officer: I moved him from his side of the white line to the oncoming car's side to get him out from the bike .. the officer said to the guy in teh vehicle: obviously you were on the right side of the road.. *sigh*

Motorcycle Officer too.. even! ah well.. if only I had stopped for a sec to take a pic..

[Verzent]

Just had an accident too and going through the process, thank fuck that I have insurance though because the cager who is liable would definitely not have paid a cent and conned me around otherwise. The police officer in charge also told me that the other was at fault and to claim on their insurance but sadly they had given the cop a false insurance company. THIS IS WHY it's imperative to have insurance because they will do all the dealings with other parties for you, saving you valuable hair follicles.

[scumdog]

1. make the scene safe, call 111, make sure everyone is comfy and then take pics ASAP before ANYTHING changes.. it takes 30 secs.. you have your phone in hand.. its worth it.

I didnt take pics till I had done that and this was not such a good idea. I should have grabbed a few before I moved even the smallest bit of wreckage.

True, don't want to compound thing by having other vehicles ploughing into the scene...

And Leave Everything in situ, move nothing cos:

(a) - more accurate info for investigators

(b) - no chance of being accused of trying to destroy/hide the evidence and/or orchestrate the evidence to suit your version of events.

[iYRe]

True, don't want to compound thing by having other vehicles ploughing into the scene...

And Leave Everything in situ, move nothing cos:

(a) - more accurate info for investigators

(b) - no chance of being accused of trying to destroy/hide the evidence and/or orchestrate the evidence to suit your version of events.

20/20 hindsight in my case.. Unfortunately the ambo and police took more than 20 mins to get there, and we were blocking two lanes.. the car and mate in one, and the bike in the other.. blind corner, so though it safest to move the bike.. shoulda got that pic before moving it though

[Kiwi675]

yup, they drummed that into us back in the NZPO days (before Telecom) - never admit liability



Broken Ankle, 2 Broken ribs and a tear in the kidney.. we were doing 30-40kmh - way slower than any of the other bikes on twilight rd.. idiots.

Someone was going quicker than you and didn't crash, they must be very lucky............they were probably wearing all the gear apart from the high vis and flashing lights...................bloody lucky buggers!

[nzspokes]

Someone was going quicker than you and didn't crash, they must be very lucky............they were probably wearing all the gear apart from the high vis and flashing lights...................bloody lucky buggers!

Twilight Road is a stupid one to try to go fast on. I dont care what you ride. There is no line of site up any of the corners going up or down the hill. And its often covered in clay/moss.