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    Didn't see, or didn't look?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...in-fatal-crash

    There may well be more to this but an aged driver on the wrong side of the road on a gentle bend dawdling toward a turn in the early morning light, and a bike was in the wrong place at the wrong time. What a waste of a life!

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    When I looked at the pic yesterday that's what it seemed to me too.
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    Saw the first report on this yesterday and suspect not only is there more to the story but that what you have is likely mis-reported anyhow, first reports yesterday had it as SH3 FFS.

    A terrible waste of life and feel for his friends and family.
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    Thoughts go out to his family & friends ...such a bloody waste indeed


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    Note the distinctive stand of trees on the right (looking north from 'Warea') that also feature in the Stuff photo.


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    Any ideas on why the motorcyclist did not see the car?
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    The cager was 80 years old.

    When will be more stringent on elderly drivers???
    IMHO they should have their own test they have to pass every year when they reach that age if they want to continue to drive.
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    There has been a spat of fatalities caused by elderly drivers of late. With an aging polulation it will only get worse. I know I get frustrated when some old gezzer puttles along like a snail, uncetain which way he wants to turn, oblivious to the tail of cars in his wake and the mayhem his erratic driving is causing. No ideal what those hi-tech fan-dangled indicators are for.

    I guess we will all reach that point and it must be hard to give up the freedoms of driving. Here's hoping we have the sense to know when to say yeah, nah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MD View Post
    There has been a spat of fatalities caused by elderly drivers of late. With an aging polulation it will only get worse. I know I get frustrated when some old gezzer puttles along like a snail, uncetain which way he wants to turn, oblivious to the tail of cars in his wake and the mayhem his erratic driving is causing. No ideal what those hi-tech fan-dangled indicators are for.

    I guess we will all reach that point and it must be hard to give up the freedoms of driving. Here's hoping we have the sense to know when to say yeah, nah.
    Very true!...but as speed "wasn't a factor"...this will no doubt be classified as just ANOTHER tragic accident!

    After all, only speed kills on NZ roads! -NOT inept drivers!
    ...otherwise they would actually be focusing on driver training and education to stop this sort of thing from constantly happening...instead of investing millions of dollars on cameras, lowering speed limits & tolerances....in the name of "safety"! ***


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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkfish View Post
    The cager was 80 years old.

    When will be more stringent on elderly drivers???
    IMHO they should have their own test they have to pass every year when they reach that age if they want to continue to drive.
    They have to renew their licence when they hit 80 and then every two years after that. If he was 80 then he should have been through that process within the last 12 months. People fuck up at every age. The fact he was 80 might be about as relevant as the rider being 50.

    http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/fa...e-renewal.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berries View Post
    They have to renew their licence when they hit 80 and then every two years after that. If he was 80 then he should have been through that process within the last 12 months. People fuck up at every age. The fact he was 80 might be about as relevant as the rider being 50.

    http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/fa...e-renewal.html
    That just means they get a med cert (not hard to get) then pay moneys... ability to drive still remains optional.
    I think renewal at absolute minimum should be a re-do of the learners, the cost is the same; but should really involve some driving. But of-course people weren't happy with having to renew their ID's in the 1st place (which is why we have to renew them) so I don't see them upsetting people more especially when licensing isn't even the purpose for renewals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    That just means they get a med cert (not hard to get) then pay moneys... ability to drive still remains optional.
    And their doctor has to agree they are still competent to drive - well at least down here that's the case.

    And the med cert can be bloody hard to get if eyes, heart etc are not up to sctratch.

    A big problem is oldies driving an automatic.

    They don't move their feet on and off the pedals properly.

    And one day their right foot slips off the brake pedal onto the gas pedal - and the car suddenly 'takes off' until they hit something.

    And in a lot of cases when that first lunge forward happens they slam their foot down even harder onto what they still think is the brake pedal - and the car goes mental until it crashes.

    And often afterwards they will swear the whole time they were pushing on the brake pedal as hard as they could "but the car wouldn't stop, it just took off on me"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berries View Post
    They have to renew their licence when they hit 80 and then every two years after that. If he was 80 then he should have been through that process within the last 12 months. People fuck up at every age. The fact he was 80 might be about as relevant as the rider being 50.
    Yeah the Age might have been irrelevant,.... But if I were a betting man....

    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    That just means they get a med cert (not hard to get) then pay moneys... ability to drive still remains optional.
    I think renewal at absolute minimum should be a re-do of the learners, the cost is the same; but should really involve some driving. But of-course people weren't happy with having to renew their ID's in the 1st place (which is why we have to renew them) so I don't see them upsetting people more especially when licensing isn't even the purpose for renewals.
    I agree Renewal should be more substantial and also check stuff like reflexes and modern driving techniques.
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    re-testing

    Why stop at people over 80 having to re-sit their licenses?

    I know plenty of people in their 50s, 60s, 30s, 20s etc who could do with brushing up on their skills...

    Maybe all driving licenses should have a 5/10 year expiry. I for one would support that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    And their doctor has to agree they are still competent to drive - well at least down here that's the case.

    And the med cert can be bloody hard to get if eyes, heart etc are not up to sctratch.

    A big problem is oldies driving an automatic.

    They don't move their feet on and off the pedals properly.

    And one day their right foot slips off the brake pedal onto the gas pedal - and the car suddenly 'takes off' until they hit something.

    And in a lot of cases when that first lunge forward happens they slam their foot down even harder onto what they still think is the brake pedal - and the car goes mental until it crashes.

    And often afterwards they will swear the whole time they were pushing on the brake pedal as hard as they could "but the car wouldn't stop, it just took off on me"
    Just want to pick you up on a couple of points there Scummy. In a small town knowing people can cut both ways, it can put social pressure on the Dr to give the benefit of the doubt to the old bugger, trust him when they say they always wear their glasses etc. Making it the Dr's decision to remove a drivers license, when that Dr will automatically also consider the affect on the patent's mental health, social interactions etc, is a bit unfair on the Dr and still gives no indication on the drivers ability to drive, know the current laws, or react in changing lights (remember Drs largely leave eyes specialists).

    As to the brake vs Accelerator thing I believe the manufacturers are the most guilty. I have had several experiences of this. If you press both the accelerator wins, safety logic says the brake should win but find a clear road and try it. Therefore the oldie doesn't quite move their foot enough and catches both pedals, they don't even feel the accelerator is caught as it moves much easier than the brake so of course they press harder to try and stop thereby applying more accelerator at the same time. Why the F governments allow and manufacturers build automatics like that is beyond me and now they are making automatic bikes, wonder if they will have the same problem. BTW before teaching someone to drive in an automatic make sure you explain that it isn't a pedal per foot or else they wont stop when you expect them to.
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