A new brand of chinese "sports bikes"?

[Edbear]

Good report. Experience is worth something.

[MarkH]

just figured I could weigh in here.

Thanks for taking the time to give us the benefit of your experience.
I'm sure that over time the good & bad experiences will add up to a general sense of what the brand reputation is, maybe in a few years most motorcyclists will have no objection to several different Chinese brands.
We do rely on some keen experimenters willing to try out a brand early on, thank you for taking the chances so that we can all learn.

[unstuck]

Come back and let us know after a year or so, not a couple of months.

[Oakie]

Come back and let us know after a year or so, not a couple of months.

I think a report after a couple of months is valid but yeah, be interested to hear a report 1 and 2 years down the track.

[unstuck]

I think a report after a couple of months is valid but yeah, be interested to hear a report 1 and 2 years down the track.

Fair enough, but I think most things will be better tested after a year or so of usage. Give it time I say, a mate bought a zongen dirt bike a couple of years ago and it was fine for 6/7 months, then just fell to bits around him over a weekend ride. For all I know, it is still somewhere in the acton forest.

[festus]

Looks like fucking horrible build quality. Check out the swing arm and caliper on the trade me listing. I wouldn't be risking my life on that crap. Who services them for buyers at their locality? Coz bike shops here will tell you to piss off with your Chinese dirt bike shit

Hyosungs have been bad enough for some of the 'less major' parts prematurely failing and their build quality looks much better than those photos.

Just my 2c...

45 years ago people like you were saying the same thing about "Japanese" bikes!...........

[festus]

From Me

I personally question the safety and build quality of the motorcycles that www.two-wheels.co.nz are providing for sale. After looking at the close up photo's on your website I, amongst many other motorcycle enthusiasts have serious concerns about the safety of riders who purchase the machines.

It is my opinion that it is only a matter of time before the failure of something in one of these bikes ...causes serious injury or death.

As an example, have a look at the quality of the gear shift mechanism below.

http://www.two-wheels.co.nz/Images/B...ge.930x500.jpg

While I do understand the strengths of welds etc, should that weld connecting the push rod to the spline coupling fail then the rod will drop downward with the gear shifter and potentially dig into the road surface causing an accident which may result in Injury or even Death for the rider.

I cannot believe that the bikes are passing compliance testing and getting vinned. And No I do not own a motorcycle shop or work for one. This has nothing to do with competitive marketing/business. I have no agenda to push. I am an engineer and keen motorcycle racer.

Buyers beware. Don't risk your life or the life of others on poor workmanship.

Two Wheels Limited

Dear Patrick,

Thank you very much for your concerns and sharing them. We appreciate that you raise awareness for motorcycle safety.

As for the gear shift mechanism: please come and visit our showroom. We have a Honda CBR 250R here to allow for direct comparison with a more well-known brand in New Zealand: the gear shift mechanism is of the similar build quality; Honda also welds the push rod to the spline coupling which you refer to be less safe.

The motorcycles don't only pass compliance and VIN because for the sake, but also because of their overall quality. On top of that, all motorcycles come with EEC certificate confirming to comply with the strict European quality, safety, and emission standards.

You are very welcome to test our motorcycles yourself and comment again about their quality.

Thank you and kind regards,
Sven from the Two Wheels team

How can you make judgement on a piece of machinery you've just seen pics of?
I've had the gear shift mechanism fall off my race bike, shit like that can happen on any motorbike.
I suggest you eyeball one of these bikes in the flesh before stirring up shit...........

[Mushu]

45 years ago people like you were saying the same thing about "Japanese" bikes!...........

There seems to be a big difference though, the Japanese were making huge leaps in technology and trying to produce better bikes than everyone else (whether they did or not is a matter of opinion) the Chinese seem happy to use old designs and just produce a cheap product that does the job. When I start seeing Chinese bikes competing and being competitive in racing, and coming up with fresh ideas and designs I will consider buying one, it can't be that hard, people build bikes and cars in their garages and every now and then they produce something special

[mossy1200]

4500 km is more than I do some years since I dont ride to work.
I think that's a good start. not to sure about the metal in oil. Idd be draining again and checking it. If any metal you would think it would be in the filter and you would be hoping to see none?

[scumdog]

How can you make judgement on a piece of machinery you've just seen pics of?
I've had the gear shift mechanism fall off my race bike, shit like that can happen on any motorbike.
I suggest you eyeball one of these bikes in the flesh before stirring up shit...........

Hey, c'mon this IS K.B. - where common sense judgement is an option...

[speights_bud]

How can you make judgement on a piece of machinery you've just seen pics of?
I've had the gear shift mechanism fall off my race bike, shit like that can happen on any motorbike.
I suggest you eyeball one of these bikes in the flesh before stirring up shit...........

Because as an engineer with experience in machining parts for bikes & prototype race cars etc I felt informed enough make a judgement call based on the very specific items in the photographs.

Race bike or road bike its up to the rider to make sure the machine is fit for use. Apparently some people prefer cheap crap over quality, but I guess that's the world we live in now, one full of disposable junk.

[sketch]

not realy but kind of related,
i brought a chinese pitbike, and not the cheapest one that all my mates got either, melted the clutch n no one can find me a replacement.
$1350 plus hundreds in aftermarket bling bits down the drain
sadface....

[avgas]

[sketch]

damit!!!! i thought you had a clutch for me

[avgas]

I not sure who taught you maths but there's a quite difference between hundreds and thousands

Really?

What is the difference between 999 and 1000?

Maths teacher taught me math. Its my england which isnt grand point-dexter. Blame the english teacher. Also fix the earthquake response/disaster recovery.

As for chinese bikes - Each to their own. Could be worse. They could be riding Enfields with no brakes.....or grip......
but fuck those Enfields were reliable, until you had to work on them, the next week.