111 Swines - Useless Pigs

[spudchucka]

Greg O'connor is the union guy.When did you ever hear a union rep say we don't need more members?Or that we aren't overworked?

The voice of reason from Mr Stereotype. You wouldn't for one moment consider that O'Connor could have a point simply because he is 1: a union rep & 2: he represents the police; therefore whatever he says must be bollocks. It must be nice having all the answers but not knowing what the fucken question was in the first place!

[ManDownUnder]

Greg O'connor is the union guy.When did you ever hear a union rep say we don't need more members?Or that we aren't overworked?

My point is that he's saying what I am observing, and he said that AFTER the reporters were asked to leave the room in the instance I was thinking of...

I think the fact the Plice are understaffed is also borne out by number of Police Fraud Investigators (18 nationwide from memory) vs the Insurance Industyr (who filled the rest of the room... approx 200).

The Insurance Industry was so pissed off with the lack of service from the police they enlisted their own people to do it (and it costs them a FORTUNE).

Again - I'm poking a stick at those in charge... not those actually doing what they're told..

[inlinefour]

Its better not to have any predjudice and just hate everyones guts, it makes life much less complicated.

We live in a world of cunts then?

[Zed]

House got burgled today.

REALLY BADLY.

Sorry to read you & your family got violated so badly JSG. House burglary is up there IMO as one of the worst crimes in society!

[sir.pratt]

Traffic and Police are 2 entities.... When the "police" get a call from someone who has a insecure premise..no alarm,no insurance they should hang up (imo)..when a retard with no vehicle insurance is run into by another non insured retard and then expect the Police to get their money, the Police should also hang up on them .........No wonder the Police are short of units to try and deal with real crime.... Not enough Police,but never short of moaners

A bit like when some drunken fuck rings up wanting a ride home, they should also tell them to get lost.....

[justsomeguy]

Sorry to read you & your family got violated so badly JSG. House burglary is up there IMO as one of the worst crimes in society!

I agree Zed, you should try and tell it to the cops. They still haven't turned up -

[Zed]

I agree Zed, you should try and tell it to the cops. They still haven't turned up -

Now that's both funny and frustrating!
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[geoffm]

I agree Zed, you should try and tell it to the cops. They still haven't turned up -

Don't hold your breath - friends of mine are still waiting - 4 years on...
In my case, ($12k of gear taken from a van, while we were home), the couldn't be arsed even pretending to be interested. I took it to the cop shop, and only got them to fingerprint it becasue I was aquainted with one of the coppers, who got the fingerprint guy out.
In another case (breakin, 2PM, Tamaki Drive, busy day ...) the cop at Central was very nice, but admitted that nothing would be done, no investigation would happen, and "here is the form for the insurance".
Hell, the cops don't even turn up to a crime in progress, 500m from the main West Auckland police station, which was happening aroudn 10pm, over a 20-30min period.
It was a car breakin by the Falls Hotel in Henderson, and during that time, a cop car actually drove past. Since the crims weren't moving, let alone speeding, it didn't stop.
Last time, it was less than the cost of insurance, so didn't bother reporting it. Not worth the time.
Wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
Geoff

[TLDV8]

Don't hold your breath - friends of mine are still waiting - 4 years on...
In my case, ($12k of gear taken from a van, while we were home), the couldn't be arsed even pretending to be interested. I took it to the cop shop, and only got them to fingerprint it becasue I was aquainted with one of the coppers, who got the fingerprint guy out.

Sorry..but there seems to lots of posts regarding this sort of thing..Surely a van with $12000 of "gear" in it, had a quality alarm system?.Was it disabled ?... Did they get an insurance pay out ? .........I guess my point is when is the average Kiwi going to accept some accountability......as far as personal affects,who in their responsible mind would not have security to what ever it takes to safeguard it..the level would depend on how much one valued the property.... Perhaps if everyone gave a DNA and Blood sample with fingerprints,crime would drop,but all the tree huggers would come out moaning breach of civil rights!!!........

[justsomeguy]

Sorry..but there seems to lots of posts regarding this sort of thing..Surely a van with $12000 of "gear" in it, had a quality alarm system?.Was it disabled ?... Did they get an insurance pay out ? .........I guess my point is when is the average Kiwi going to accept some accountability......as far as personal affects,who in their responsible mind would not have security to what ever it takes to safeguard it..the level would depend on how much one valued the property.... Perhaps if everyone gave a DNA and Blood sample with fingerprints,crime would drop,but all the tree huggers would come out moaning breach of civil rights!!!........

Are you one of those people who's made a billion dollars after inventing a fail-proof security system??

[Jantar]

.... When the "police" get a call from someone who has a insecure premise..no alarm,no insurance they should hang up (imo)..

What is this pre-occupation with alarms and insurance? Are you sayinmg that it should be legal to burgle a property if it doesn't have an alarm and/or secured like Fort Knox?

Well I'm sorry, but I don't hold with that philosophy at all. That's like saying it should be legal to shoot anyone that's not wearing bulletproof clothing.

Either the Police have the job of protecting us and our property, or they don't. And when I say "the Police" I'm not talking about the guys on the front line, they just do the job they are paid to do to the best of their ability, Its the policy makers who need to be held to account. As far as I am aware the Police are responsible for maintaining law and order, and as such they should be resourced to fullfill that responsibility.

If the responsibilty for personal and property protection is to fall onto the individual, then let the politicians make that call, and let them give us the authority to take the law into our own hands. Let anarchy rule? I hope not.

[justsomeguy]

What is this pre-occupation with alarms and insurance? Are you sayinmg that it should be legal to burgle a property if it doesn't have an alarm and/or secured like Fort Knox?

Well I'm sorry, but I don't hold with that philosophy at all. That's like saying it should be legal to shoot anyone that's not wearing bulletproof clothing.

Either the Police have the job of protecting us and our property, or they don't. And when I say "the Police" I'm not talking about the guys on the front line, they just do the job they are paid to do to the best of their ability, Its the policy makers who need to be held to account. As far as I am aware the Police are responsible for maintaining law and order, and as such they should be resourced to fullfill that responsibility.

If the responsibilty for personal and property protection is to fall onto the individual, then let the politicians make that call, and let them give us the authority to take the law into our own hands. Let anarchy rule? I hope not.

Very well said Jantar.


........ TLDV8 you are beginning to sound like an alarm salesman.

If people really want to break in they can break the windows, use an acetone torch and cut away the window grills or burn away the wood around the locks, smash the alarm box, cut the wires, use a stun gun/baseball bat/poison on the dogs, tie up anyone in the house do their stealing and dissappear. A decent set of ear plugs or a combination of ear plugs, earphones, helmets and scarves would sort out any internal alarms until they find the things and bash them to bits..... None of this is old news....... where there is a will.....

[Ixion]

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Either the Police have the job of protecting us and our property, or they don't. And when I say "the Police" I'm not talking about the guys on the front line, they just do the job they are paid to do to the best of their ability, Its the policy makers who need to be held to account. As far as I am aware the Police are responsible for maintaining law and order, and as such they should be resourced to fullfill that responsibility.

If the responsibilty for personal and property protection is to fall onto the individual, then let the politicians make that call, and let them give us the authority to take the law into our own hands. Let anarchy rule? I hope not.

Not quite (Yeah, I'm a pedantic bastige - especially about oaths)

Every police officer swears to serve the Queen, to "cause the Queen's Peace to be kept and maintained" , and prevent offences against the peace; and to discharge the duites of a police officer.

I, A.B., do swear that I will well and truly serve our Sovereign Lady the Queen in the Police, without favour or affection, malice or ill-will, until I am legally discharged; that I will see and cause Her Majesty's peace to be kept
and preserved; that I will prevent to the best of my power all offences against the peace; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law. So help me God.

'Tis not SPECIFICALLY their job to protect property. Or us. However, burglary (and stealing in general) is an offence against the Queen's Peace. And assault and the like, obviously also.

Their job is to cause the law to be obeyed. Much of the purpose of that law is to protect life and property. But you may endanger yourself to your heart's content, and your property likewise, if no law be broken, and the police will not (can not) intervene to protect you. This is why it is legal (though stupid) for people to lose all their money in casinos.

In law, there is no distinction between senior officers and constables. Constitutionally, the important police officer is the Constable. And the oath used to be the Constable's Oath. Inspectors, Superintendants,Commissioners, are merely constables with extra gravy and some scrambled egg. The duty of all is the same, to cause the Queens Peace to be kept and maintained, and see that the law is obeyed.

So , strictly , the cop who stops you for speeding is doing his job exactly as much as his collegue who arrests the criminal burgling your house. Both are enforcing the law. Just that we agree with some laws more than others. We think the law against burglary ought to be enforced, the law against speeding ought not to be. Police don't have that ability to equivicate. The law is the law. Though they can always look the other way of course, if they think that be justified. And, to be sure, the enforcement of some laws is more important than others. So if resources be inadequate to enforce all, we may all argue to our hearts' content which laws should have priority.

[Jantar]

Not quite (Yeah, I'm a pedantic bastige - especially about oaths)

Every police officer swears to serve the Queen, to "cause the Queen's Peace to be kept and maintained" , and prevent offences against the peace; and to discharge the duites of a police officer.



'Tis not SPECIFICALLY their job to protect property. Or us. However, burglary (and stealing in general) is an offence against the Queen's Peace. And assault and the like, obviously also. .

Yes Ixion, you are quite correct. However as you point out our laws are what goes to make up the "Queen's peace". The point I was making is that it is still our police force (even if not sufficiently resourced) that are charged to carry out that task. It isn't up to the police to decide what events they will or won't attend based purely on the level of security that a property owner has, it is their job to investigate ALL breaches of the queens peace.

[Ixion]

Yes Ixion, you are quite correct. However as you point out our laws are what goes to make up the "Queen's peace". The point I was making is that it is still our police force (even if not sufficiently resourced) that are charged to carry out that task. It isn't up to the police to decide what events they will or won't attend based purely on the level of security that a property owner has, it is their job to investigate ALL breaches of the queens peace.

Quite so. An offence is an offence. Even if the victim has been careless or foolish.(not suggesting that not having an alarm - foolish or careless, BTW) And insurance is completely irrelevant.

Incidentally, the oath is to maintain and see kept the Queen's Peace. So PREVENTING crime is actually more important than solving it. Makes me annoyed that TV shows and such glorify the detective. Detectives are an admission that the force has lost the game. A crime has ALREADY been committed. The purpose of the police force is to PREVENT the crime happening in the first place - to maintain the Peace, not stand by and see it broken then go around and arrest people for breaking it. 'Tis the uniformed constable that does the real police work.