BRONZ press release - ACC levy consultation, and the motorcycle ACC levy

[bogan]

Not a lot of risk - I have only licenced my bike for 3 months a year for the last three years.(strangely,since the ACC levies rose)
Still do 25,000KM/year (heh heh -real hard squeezin' that into 3 months heh heh)


P.S. what're our friends at moronz.co.nz doing these days (I might have the address wrong)

Three months more than me :P though a few more km too. I mean if the protest is going to be stopped or checkpointed with cops checking for regos, then I'm out; same risk as any other ride and I'm in if I can make it.

[The Reibz]

Bikeio 2. Fuck im keen.
Should make it like ROC in the states and everyone take off there plates. That way no ones got a rego.
Just paid mine yesterday, what a fucken joke. Almost need a bank load to pay that shit

[Drew]

concentrating on the Jews only.

No, it was Hitler who 'concentrated' the Jews.

[biker baz]

We can all have our 10cents worth by going to the acc website. Copy & paste into their levy consultation format or email- levyconsultation@acc.co.nz BEFORE 15.10.13 at 5.00 pm closing time. My idea of a best case scenario is 100,000 plus emails saying - WHAT PART OF REDUCE THE M/C LEVY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

Don’t be shy even if big brother can illegally spy on us & if you are paranoid about it, write your email in word, save it onto an M-stick, go to an internet cafe & open a new free email address to send it by. That should take care of being put on a civil disobedience database or traced for any outstanding fines, overdue regos etc. Oops nearly forgot I think your name, address Phone &/or email need to be included so if you want to give a verbal presentation they can contact you. Some formats you can tick the box, others you must write you wish to make a verbal, usually at the end, but big letters at the start would do it too. Do it anyway, even if you don’t want to speak. They might think you really are pissed off, & to them it is a numbers game. That is when things might go our way. Add the public embarrassment of another bikoi to the minister Collins (ex police) unless she is multitasking or brown nosing & doing 2 jobs for the price of one.
As a diversion, at the last Bikoi to parliament, 2 of the nice policemen with lots of silverware on their shoulders, were discreetly taking photos of the noisiest banner waving protesters, so I took photos of them. They are stored at safe locations.

One thing that really does piss me off is that being the proud owner of a 650cc bike, I am paying the top levy rate for an extra 50cc.
Now to add insult to injury, ltsa classify it as a learner approved motorcycle because of the low power to weight ratio. WTF, my PTW is a PITA & my CCs are too!

AS IF the levy is fair & equitable anyway, this is patently UNfair.
Rider ability & experience aside, as the levy is based on the cc rating of the motorcycle, acc should adopt the same power to weight system as ltsa for a level playing field. If a learner rider has less experience, the slower speed does level out the extra risk, if any.
Importers are required to show the PTW so the info is easily available & could even be extended to cars (less 15% of course).
The real reason we are being screwed is probably less bikers vote national than car owners. So if we all promise to vote national maybe we can get 20% off. Oh well it wont happen as we are not politicians & at least have our integrity but not our wallets intact.
I will be spreading the message/rant to motonz, bronz, Ulysses, MNZ, m/c clubs, magazines, & forums. So if anybody has other points to add feel free to share.

[Drew]

Hahahahahahaha, you want to send emails to a government department. Why the fuck would they need to "spy" on you?

More to the point, why the fucken hell do you think it would matter if they did? If someone has something to hide, why would we want them as part of any movement/action we (as bikers) might manage to get going?

This is gold. Covert rebellion! What would be the goal? To make sure we are ignored.

Smarter by half, is the term I think best describes that course of action.

[Mom]

Wouldn't you get stung if you have to do an insurance claim?

Nope. You would just be contributing to the public purse if you got pinged.

Three months more than me :P though a few more km too. I mean if the protest is going to be stopped or checkpointed with cops checking for regos, then I'm out; same risk as any other ride and I'm in if I can make it.

No large protest ride will ever be stopped, unless it stops and lays down.

Bikeio 2. Fuck im keen.
Should make it like ROC in the states and everyone take off there plates. That way no ones got a rego.
Just paid mine yesterday, what a fucken joke. Almost need a bank load to pay that shit

Being keen and actually organising are 2 very, very different things.

We can all have our 10cents worth by going to the acc website.

Fucken HA! HA! HA! You are a fool if you think that sort of thing makes a difference. I am actually laughing here.

[tigertim20]

if there are people who are willing/able to organise some kind of nuisance based protest, I would happily join.

Id think though, that a solitary protest is unlikely to have a significant effect. It might also be be easier to have different groups organise separate, but linked protests, in different centres, on different days, to make sure that our exposure is widespread and lasting.

[MadDuck]

We can all have our 10cents worth by going to the acc website.

Fucken HA! HA! HA! You are a fool if you think that sort of thing makes a difference. I am actually laughing here.

There are a few of us here who put a whole lot of effort into the last round back in 2009. We got knocked back by the biker community, our peers and politicians. Do not give up. NEVER give up biker baz. Even when they laugh at you and call you names. When you stop standing up for what you believe in you may as well exit ---->

[caseye]

if there are people who are willing/able to organise some kind of nuisance based protest, I would happily join.

Id think though, that a solitary protest is unlikely to have a significant effect. It might also be be easier to have different groups organise separate, but linked protests, in different centres, on different days, to make sure that our exposure is widespread and lasting.

Unfortunately my good man, this is exactly the PROBLEM.
Everyone wants someone else to do the organising.
Then they'll come.
+ one for Mom and MD's comments.

[Scuba_Steve]

Unfortunately my good man, this is exactly the PROBLEM.
Everyone wants someone else to do the organising.
Then they'll come.
+ one for Mom and MD's comments.

Sweet then; Petrol & Orange juice party at the beehive 20/11/13, don't for get the lighters, you know, to show you're respect & rags for the, um, "clean up"

[Maha]

Unfortunately my good man, this is exactly the PROBLEM.
Everyone wants someone else to do the organising.
Then they'll come.
+ one for Mom and MD's comments.

...and it will forever be that way Mark. Unfortunately, BRONZ are the ''powerhouse movement'' where ''biker rights'' are concerned and they may well enjoy flogging a dead horse, who knows?
Those who now give a shit are very minimal compared to three years ago and any on going ''protest action'' will be (dare I say it) laughed off and seen as a feeble attempt to keep the ever dwindling support alive.

The only fact of 09' that people fall back on now is, how many turned up in Wellington, and that number varies depending on who you talk to.

[Swoop]

Wouldn't you get stung if you have to do an insurance claim?

In the majority of instances "no". A rego (or lack therof) has no contributing factor to an accident.
A W.o.F is a different matter entirely and you should keep that up to date.

I clarified the non-rego situation with my insurer and the reply was "do NOT pay rego! You are fully covered regardless of having a rego".

Perhaps phone and ask the same of your insurer?

[biker baz]

Fucken HA! HA! HA! You are a fool if you think that sort of thing makes a difference. I am actually laughing here.

Looking at the big picture I agree. What chance has one whinging crybaby email from an insignificant dirty biker got of making a difference, which is what we are supposed to think. Key is being told by his puppet masters to set up Acc & other stuff for sale & we are the easy target. However in my best case scenario of 100K plus angry mean hairy bikers, (& that is just the women) numbers do mean something. Public servants are like a pig in shit when it comes to counting & harder stuff like analysis & ministers are more sensitive than they would like to admit to adverse publicity. that is why they control the mainstream media (the presstitutes). Even minister collins wont be so tough when she gets her 'you are voted out bitch slap' from her electorate next election.
Personal experience of sending in opinion (never think or say submission) at a local body tribunal where 89% were against an issue, helped convince councillors to see things our way & I am applying the same logic here.
Each presentation is kept as a record for all to see making it extremely difficult for them to put their spin, without being shown up. It would help to have a bit of variety, they love to analyse into categories.
Granted it is a different dynamic this time, where everyone else gets a reduction except us. Last time we were all getting screwed & had some public sympathy.
One thing for sure I am way over being the happy cynic, laughing while my arse is being screwed.
To this end even tho my head hurts I will get a blurb for y'all to copy & paste to send in before 15/10.
Consultation the first step & will get their attention. Then we can carry out bikoi 2 & anything else that will rub their noses in it.

[swbarnett]

numbers do mean something

Sure, if you get the 89% support you had with your council. Anything less than a landslide is ignored.

If numbers really meant something referenda would be legally binding.

[Mom]

Sure, if you get the 89% support you had with your council. Anything less than a landslide is ignored.

If numbers really meant something referenda would be legally binding.

Some of us made a fairly big effort last time, the apathy of the majority beggars belief.