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[oldrider]

I got asked (phone) the other night in a poll, which political parties policies do I prefer? I checked her and asked are you asking me who I am going to vote for? she said no, which policies do I prefer? I told her "Libertarian" ( they had just been on the TV in an add, to my surprise). She had no idea what I was talking about. Turns out it was only about the parties on the left or National. Don't know what she put down, hope it wasn't the left.
What value is there to be taken from these stupid bloody polls anyway?
Cheers John.

[Skyryder]

Liberterian(z). Bloody hell they make Act look like a the New Zealand Branch of the Socialist Party.

Here's a little of there rhetoric

http://www.libertarianz.org.nz/?libzpr=364

Get these guys running the country and Joe Plebian (that's you and I) will have no say, no legal rights, no nothing.

Skyryder

[Drunken Monkey]

Liberterian(z). Bloody hell they make Act look like a the New Zealand Branch of the Socialist Party.

Here's a little of there rhetoric

http://www.libertarianz.org.nz/?libzpr=364

Get these guys running the country and Joe Plebian (that's you and I) will have no say, no legal rights, no nothing.

Skyryder

Is that ammagical changing link? If you read it properly, I don't think that's what they're about at all - what makes you interpret their policies in such a way?

[Jackrat]

Liberterian(z). Bloody hell they make Act look like a the New Zealand Branch of the Socialist Party.

Here's a little of there rhetoric

http://www.libertarianz.org.nz/?libzpr=364

Get these guys running the country and Joe Plebian (that's you and I) will have no say, no legal rights, no nothing.

Skyryder

Thanks for that link.
I'll be sending my membership application on Monday.

[oldrider]

Thanks for that link Skyrider, yes their policies do offer more for the individual and freedom than any others I have seen. I do look. I am going to look again too. Who says that TV advertising doesn't work? I wonder who was running the telephone Poll? Wouldn't have been Labour and the left being sneaky would it? Cheers John.

[Skyryder]

Is that ammagical changing link? If you read it properly, I don't think that's what they're about at all - what makes you interpret their policies in such a way?

From their link

Libertarianz leader Bernard Darnton today confirmed that he would not be joining the court action which Jim Anderton and Peter Dunne are taking against TV3. "These two politicians are demanding that the court dictate to private companies what they can and can't put to air," says Darnton. "Such an action is unconscionable."

That just concerns the air waves. Read in between the lines.

Here's another
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ENVIRONMENT
Private property rights provide the strongest possible protection for the environment. (Just look at the state of our rivers and lakes) Common law protects neighbour from neighbour and offers nearly 800 years of sophistication in protecting property and the environment. Libertarianz will repeal the fascistic Resource Management Act, and uncover the common law that decades of planning legislation have buried.

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My brackets


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PRIVATISATION
State assets will be given back to those whose money paid for them - taxpayers! After retiring the government's debt, all assets will be distributed as shares to be sold or retained as you choose. So-called 'stakeholders' can become real shareholders. Existing superannuitants - whose savings have been stolen by taxes and government-induced inflation - would be provided for from these assets.

SOCIAL WELFARE
Libertarianz will leave you free to practise voluntary charity. All state benefits would be abolished - unemployment, sickness, and DPB - to permit the growth of voluntary charities and private insurance. As a transitional measure, a Libertarianz government will sell government assets to purchase annuities for the severely disabled and for superannuitants, for whom the punitive tax regimes of previous governments have made savings impossible.
(my highlights)
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Yep these guys have done their homework. On one hand they say that all government assets will be given back to the tax payer. That's in their privatisation policy and yet their social welfare policy states that 'all government assets, as a transitional measure will be sold. So what happens when the money runs out? Yep real smart fuckers.

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Skyrder

[Drunken Monkey]

Says nothing there about "no legal rights" - it encourages people to solve issues through use and application of common law.

Also says nothing about "no say", in fact they are encouraging you to take 100% control of your own life.


Don't get me wrong - while there are some interesting ideas, I think their goals are highly idealistic, expecting all people to be relatively smart, resourceful, have common sense and act in a mature manner - it's just at least 2 of your three comments appear to me to be diametrically opposed to what they stand for.

What is your point about this comment?
(Libertarianz leader Bernard Darnton today confirmed that he would not be joining the court action which Jim Anderton and Peter Dunne are taking against TV3. "These two politicians are demanding that the court dictate to private companies what they can and can't put to air," says Darnton. "Such an action is unconscionable.")

I for one, agree entirely. It is an abosulte fucking travesty of justice - only a completely obtuse judge could have made such a decision. Everything that freedom of private enterprise stands for has been made a mockery of. There should never be any political meddling in the affairs of a privately run business.
If you don't beleive the Anderton & Dunne vs TV3 case should have been laughed right of the courts, then perhaps you would feel more at home in North Korea or Cuba?

[Dadpole]

Libertarianz Immigration Policy

Libertarianz will have no truck with the racist xenophobia against refugees and immigrants touted by other political parties. We will accept any refugee whom anybody wishes to sponsor and run a completely open immigration policy subject only to a requirement that immigrants waive any claim to remaining elements of the welfare state.

Can I sponsor my cousin Osama?

[Wolf]

I wonder who was running the telephone Poll? Wouldn't have been Labour and the left being sneaky would it? Cheers John.

Years ago, under a Labour gummint, I got a call close to election time asking what I thought of the current regime. I waxed lyrical about how they were a pack of arses and the caller then said "So you would say that a National Government would be an improvement?"

Aha! Caught 'em out. This was no unbiased poll, this was the Nats trawling.

"No way," spake I, "they're a pack of lying bastards too." Informed her I wouldn't let any of the politicians from any party look after my animals while I was away on holiday, let alone trust them to look after the country.

My views have not changed much since then.

I agree with some of what the Libertarianz say, but not all - I guess I'll just have to go back to forming a troika with Vifferman and Ixion and we'll take over.

[Lou Girardin]

. There should never be any political meddling in the affairs of a privately run business.
If you don't beleive the Anderton & Dunne vs TV3 case should have been laughed right of the courts, then perhaps you would feel more at home in North Korea or Cuba?

One could argue that omitting the leaders of two parties currently in Parliament is a private business attempting to influence the make-up of the next Government.

[ManDownUnder]

One could argue that omitting the leaders of two parties currently in Parliament is a private business attempting to influence the make-up of the next Government.

one could present an identical line of argument in respect of "donations" and other assistance provided to said parties as well...

[Drunken Monkey]

One could argue that omitting the leaders of two parties currently in Parliament is a private business attempting to influence the make-up of the next Government.

That is 'normal' democratic behaviour anyway - that's what lobby groups are for! There is no requirement for a private individual or business to stay politically neutral.

[bane]

Liberterian(z)

Get these guys running the country...

think you missed the point completely

[Pixie]

Liberterian(z). Bloody hell they make Act look like a the New Zealand Branch of the Socialist Party.

Here's a little of there rhetoric

http://www.libertarianz.org.nz/?libzpr=364

Get these guys running the country and Joe Plebian (that's you and I) will have no say, no legal rights, no nothing.

Skyryder

You obviously have no idea of what Libertarianism is.

[Pixie]

Thanks for that link Skyrider, yes their policies do offer more for the individual and freedom than any others I have seen. I do look. I am going to look again too. Who says that TV advertising doesn't work? I wonder who was running the telephone Poll? Wouldn't have been Labour and the left being sneaky would it? Cheers John.

Labour are running 2 to 3 polls per week at the moment