Upgrade advice: Thoughts on these super sports bikes?

[imdying]

I know certain people who run rings around 1000s at puke track on their 600. Stock standard, except suspensions.

Are they faster on a stock 1000 around Puke or on a stock 600?

[haydes55]

I know certain people who run rings around 1000s at puke track on their 600. Stock standard, except suspensions.

Moral of the story, buy a thou, otherwise you'd be lapped even more often.

[The Reibz]

I know certain people who run rings around 1000s at puke track on their 600. Stock standard, except suspensions.

I know certain people on 1300/1400cc bikes that completely destroy 1000/600cc bikes at meremere dragway. A VFR1200 is almost as quick down the strip as any supersport

[Marmoot]

Are they faster on a stock 1000 around Puke or on a stock 600?

Very good question.
One had a Cbr600rr, upgraded to cbr1000rr, then decided to downgrade back to Cbr600rr and went faster. The added weight on 1000 combined with arriving at the corner faster meant leas fun for him. He enjoyed the ability to go through the corners faster.

Another guy did the same (me), but from 1000 to ducati 848. The lighter weight means a lot more enjoyment. Or maybe it's justt he ducati. I don't know.

Another guy was not even remotely interested in 1000. He loves his r6 so much.

And i know of a guy who upgraded from cbr250rr to a 600. Now this young guy was fast. We're talking about him overtaking another guy (who is now one semi-pro racer) on an r1 round the outside on his 250 on a certain good road somewhere. From what i heard, he enjoyed that 600 less than his 250. Knowing him, i am not surprised.

Size is not everything.

[BigAl]

Size is not everything.

So sez the man with a small one.

[nzspokes]

What about a GSXR750?

[The Reibz]

Size is not everything.

It honestly depends what track your on, one with corners or one without.
Puke/Hampton and 600 would run laps around me. At Fram Dragway I would run 2 seconds faster than most of them on a good launch. Personally I would prefer a faster quarter mile bike than one that could run a 1min round puke.
Its also a great performer on the street. I would never turn down a free 1000cc, fuck that. But I cant see myself changing from a busa in a very long time.

Thats the beauty of motorcycling, there is something for everone.

[Marmoot]

So sez the man with a small one.

Indeed. But it does give a lot of satisfaction, if you know how to use it

And I refuse to call dragway a track.

[Brett]

Very good question.
One had a Cbr600rr, upgraded to cbr1000rr, then decided to downgrade back to Cbr600rr and went faster. The added weight on 1000 combined with arriving at the corner faster meant leas fun for him. He enjoyed the ability to go through the corners faster.

Another guy did the same (me), but from 1000 to ducati 848. The lighter weight means a lot more enjoyment. Or maybe it's justt he ducati. I don't know.

Another guy was not even remotely interested in 1000. He loves his r6 so much.

And i know of a guy who upgraded from cbr250rr to a 600. Now this young guy was fast. We're talking about him overtaking another guy (who is now one semi-pro racer) on an r1 round the outside on his 250 on a certain good road somewhere. From what i heard, he enjoyed that 600 less than his 250. Knowing him, i am not surprised.

Size is not everything.

As I said before...my 250 provided my greatest entertainment. Would still ride one but for my size. Need to upgrade is sometimes an ego thing I reckon.

[Gremlin]

As I said before...my 250 provided my greatest entertainment. Would still ride one but for my size. Need to upgrade is sometimes an ego thing I reckon.

Stuff that... I love my 1200. Of course, it has as much power as a 600, but then being around double the size, it's more comfortable

[pratik8890]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-663187241.htm

Thanks again for the reminder Mossy and you know that I'm a fan of Kawa, right

Hey Pratik, why 1000?
Let me tell you, having downgraded from a Fireblade to supersport before, the supersport bike is a hell of an enjoyment compared to the litre bike. Even in Pukekohe track.
Good late model CBR600RR (or R6) can be had for quite a decent price. Better yet if you can get ABS.

The best thing about having a 600 is that it makes you feel like a hero (even when commuting), being able to wring the throttle to let it scream and take corners with extreme, not worrying about weight. On 1000, it is less so. Sure the 1000's acceleration is super, but the fun is far fewer and novelty runs out too quickly.

Ducati 848 is super good once the suspension is sorted (budget around $3k for this), me having owned one for almost 6 years. If the suspension is not sorted, it does not feel that good at all (and can be quite dangerous, being overdamped and oversprung where grip on our bumpy roads become quite an issue on spirited riding).
Maintenance and running cost will (really....WILL !!) get expensive. Not to mention the stuff you'd be wanting to buy for it.
The amount of spareparts you'd have to replace can be quite staggering, depending on your luck (very lucky = not much. Normal luck = a lot. Bad luck = replace more than half the bike).
Service is every 12000kms (alternating between $700 and $1500 cost). Service for a Honda is only around $400.

Something like these I highly recommend....
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-666010606.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-663564532.htm

Even with just these you'll have lots of girls asking you to have their babies, so keep some spare money for condoms, nappies, and/or child support.

Thanks heaps for the detailed message Marmoot, I appreciate it but it looks like I might end up between a 600 cc and 1000cc bike, i.e 750 cc I've already looked at those ones but I'm really fussy and I do like them but I didnt like the color on them . SO I dont waana end up buying one of them half heartedly and then mourn later on.


I also came across this mean R6 listing on trademe recently but the guys has put an overpriced asking price of 9,600 for a 2007 R6. So i'm keen to buy it but he doesnt seem to lower the price than 9 k and IMHO i think its still too pricey, your thoughts?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=668169289

My personal experience:

First bike: ZXR250C (actually had 3 of them at once haha)

Mods: Stock

Most fun time of my motorcycle riding time. Handled well, screaming engine, cheap to run, got to the point where I could actually use all of its ability.

Upgraded to: 2005 GSXR600
Mods: Exhaust system, suspension set up.

Still a whole pile of fun, IMO the best balance in terms of engine capacity vs usability. Fast enough to make things exciting, sensible enough to not be insane. Handled brilliantly, only time I ever got frustrated by the lack of power was the back straight of Pukekohe. Only time ever.

Upgraded to: 2011 CBR 1000rr
Mods: Power commander 5, exhaust system.

Easily the best bike I have owned. PC5 has increased mid-range over a stocker something awesome. Exhaust sounds brilliant. Handles and stops excellently. Too powerful for every day use. You cannot use much of its ability on the road without a)running at a speed which will kill you and/or b) gets you in trouble with the law. Overall, unless on a track, ZXR250 and GSXR600 provided more day to day fun for me. Costs a lot more to run too.

My summary? Get a 600cc sports bike. Best bang for buck. Still BUCKET loads faster than a 250cc but while retaining some of the usability. *SOME* I said...they are still bloody fast and yo ucan easily get into trouble.
Easily the best bike I have owned.

I agree on this one cos most of my mates owning a thou used to swap their rides with mine so they can have mean fun going through the corner etc and they all reckon 250cc are more fun than 600 cc or thou..

[imdying]

Size is not everything.

This is true... being a two stroke is everything! I have a couple of 250s, wouldn't be without them.

[pratik8890]

OK Guys, looks like I have found my one of my dream bike or at least the next upgrade. Its a 2001 Mv Agusta 750 f4. I've done all the digging and the bike is in top condition inside out. Please see the description below from the seller of this bike:



"Treat yourself to the Prince of Bikes with a pauper's price!

I have owned this for two years and done approximately 4000 dry kms apart from one wet afternoon.
The bulk of the kms were done by the first owner who clocked up 36,000 by 2005.This was apparently done on long trips around NZ

Since then it has been owned by Sunday riders such as myself who, I guess, bought it for the joy of owning and riding such a special marque but without breaking the bank.

I am the guy who has spent the money on the necessary maintanence.
4000 kms ago $1100 spent on fixing small oil leak and front forks completely overhauled.

It has some small marks on the right fairing and a small fracture at the bottom which is hardly noticable when not looking for it. There is also a scrape mark on the right chassis member under the fairing where some past owner went for a slide. This affects nothing and cannot be seen

About 1000km ago I took the bike to the suspension guru, Robert Taylor at KSS in New Plymouth, who completely rebuilt the rear shock and converted it to essentially an upmarket Ohlins shock. The bike has been set up for me, fairly short and light, but can be easily adjusted for others. At the same time new Conti Speed Attack Tyres fitted and bike also comes with spare set of Metzler Racetec about half worn

I have also done the handling tweak of swapping the clip-ons across from left to right and right to left which makes the bike INFINITELY easier to ride and not so extreme. I can ride it all day with no issues. It is an absolute joy to ride now the suspension has been sorted.


The respect that comes your way from riding this is something to experience. From the car driver at the petrol station who asked "Is that one of THOSE bikes" (to which I replied "Yes it is one of THOSE bikes) to the biker coming the other way who sat up high in his saddle and beat his heart with his fist! THAT never happened to me on my Yamaha! "


He is wanting 12.5 k and he's quite firm on the price. So my question to you lads is, " Is 12.5 k the right price for this bike " A part of me tells me it is right and the other says it might be a lil bit pricey? Your thoughts


And BTW I'm attaching the picture of the bike so please check em out.

In Nutshell

Year/mode: 2001 Mv Agusta 750 f4 ( two seater )

Kilometers done ( 49 K )

Asking Price = 12. 5k

Bike is in mint condition both mechanically and from outside.

Thank you all and I would really appreciate if you could give me your valuable opinions about the value of teh bike? Thanks again.

[pratik8890]

adding few more pics.

[Tazz]

Fark yeah. Your budget is getting bigger eh haha

Not really qualified to say on price but from this comment, "I am the guy who has spent the money on the necessary maintenance" I do wonder if he is placing some of the cost of servicing on the value of the bike? which doesn't work.

It has also been on there a while which can be a good indicator of what the market thinks of the price.

I reckon buy it anyway though haha Did you test ride it yet?