Non-payment of ACC levies: how do you reckon this will end?

[danchop]

im a motorcycle courier,well on a scooter,anyway since acc have increased the levies on bikes i have refused to pay acc levies on my income as a protest against the pricks.3 years in a row now i havnt paid a cent but i still keep paying the rego license fees on my scoot.
my arguement to them is that i am covered in my workplace by the acc levy paid through my bike license and that they are double dipping.
they say that everyone else like taxis,van couriers etc pay both,and i have argued that they need to because cars and vans arent specifically targeted to contribute thier fair share as us bikers are.
also i have asked whether they have been challenged like this before and they dont answer the question.
i ask them "if i crash my bike during work,which acc account does my injury get paid from?bike license or work account?again they dont answer.
anyway its 3 years and every year they and i have the same heated phone calls but no action from them to take matters further.
any legal advisers here on whether you reckon i have a point?or am i a bit silly?

[caseye]

Looking forward to hearing the outcome of this interesting topic. I sincerely hope you keep it up and that they eventually give in and acknowledge that they are "double dipping".

[Shadows]

If you are claiming the operating expenses for your scooter against your income tax then you are the one double dipping.

[danchop]

If you are claiming the operating expenses for your scooter against your income tax then you are the one double dipping.

yes i do that but i dont get your point here?i use the scooter soley for work use.
my arguement still is,why do i need to pay acc levies on my work income when the sole reason i would need to use acc services is covered by the fact i pay thier levies in my licensing?
id like to know if anyone has challenged this like im doing or are most people just sheep?

[Hitcher]

If ACC wasn't bureaucratically lazy, then citizens would may levies based on what they do. In other words based on their individual risk profile.

Accumulating levies on vehicle registrations is just lazy ineptitude, given that most drivers and riders struggle to operate more than one vehicle at a time.

[Ocean1]

Accumulating levies on vehicle registrations is just lazy ineptitude...

Either one explains the situation, claiming both is double dipping.

[Akzle]

well, you're at least a step in the right direction, vive la revolution!

as far as legal goes, legal is made to suit legally inclined persons. it's designed to keep you going to work and giving them money.
i'm assuming you operate as a sole trader, which is still a corporate person, just acting in commerce proper like. which means you're probably *legally* obliged to pay your tax duties, and they will include ACC. check teh companies act.

but again, good on you for challenging the system. now stop paying rego and tax and start asking hard questions and see what happens.

[Zedder]

If ACC wasn't bureaucratically lazy, then citizens would may levies based on what they do. In other words based on their individual risk profile.

Accumulating levies on vehicle registrations is just lazy ineptitude, given that most drivers and riders struggle to operate more than one vehicle at a time.

Lazy or typical ripoff gubbermint? There's an element of risk profile already related to the Work Account as "charges" are calculated per industry type plus cost of injuries for that particular industry.

Add that to the other three revenue streams and it's no wonder they have a fund worth $24.6 billion as of June 30 2013.

[Zedder]

yes i do that but i dont get your point here?i use the scooter soley for work use.
my arguement still is,why do i need to pay acc levies on my work income when the sole reason i would need to use acc services is covered by the fact i pay thier levies in my licensing?
id like to know if anyone has challenged this like im doing or are most people just sheep?

Going on what you've written, the fact they haven't "set the dogs on you" does imply you've caught them out at present. However, given the history of people not paying taxes etc and winning against TPTB it's usually a very one sided battle.

A very interesting situation none the least.

[swbarnett]

If ACC wasn't bureaucratically lazy, then citizens would may levies based on what they do. In other words based on their individual risk profile.

NO NO NO NO!!!!!

ACC is NOT insurance (or at least is not supposed to be). We ALL benifit from a healthy, productive population; ipso facto, we all pay an equal share based solely on our ability to pay. The only practical way to do this is to stop this levy nonscense and fund it out of the general tax take.

[jasonu]

im a motorcycle courier,well on a scooter,anyway since acc have increased the levies on bikes i have refused to pay acc levies on my income as a protest against the pricks.3 years in a row now i havnt paid a cent but i still keep paying the rego license fees on my scoot.
my arguement to them is that i am covered in my workplace by the acc levy paid through my bike license and that they are double dipping.
they say that everyone else like taxis,van couriers etc pay both,and i have argued that they need to because cars and vans arent specifically targeted to contribute thier fair share as us bikers are.
also i have asked whether they have been challenged like this before and they dont answer the question.
i ask them "if i crash my bike during work,which acc account does my injury get paid from?bike license or work account?again they dont answer.
anyway its 3 years and every year they and i have the same heated phone calls but no action from them to take matters further.
any legal advisers here on whether you reckon i have a point?or am i a bit silly?

Great arguments but I really think sooner or later they (the ACC) will stick it to you. You can't beat 'the man'.

[swbarnett]

Great arguments but I really think sooner or later they (the ACC) will stick it to you. You can't beat 'the man'.

Tell that to the French at the Bastille.

While I really don't want to go that far, sooner or later it may come to that.

[swarfie]

Great arguments but I really think sooner or later they (the ACC) will stick it to you. You can't beat 'the man'.

Good onya ...I hate that I pay up to five regos (for my bikes) while I can only ride one at a time (three rego'd at the mo ) thieving pricks! At least you could argue that your'e not likely to get mugged like the taxi driver....long may you get away with it and hope you don't have to put it to the test.

[Zedder]

NO NO NO NO!!!!!

ACC is NOT insurance (or at least is not supposed to be). We ALL benifit from a healthy, productive population; ipso facto, we all pay an equal share based solely on our ability to pay. The only practical way to do this is to stop this levy nonscense and fund it out of the general tax take.

When it's risk based costing/charging then it is insurance. As mentioned earlier, the Work Account has a portion of risk based costing just like the motorcycle segment of the Vehicle Account.

ACC maintain 2019 is the target year for self sustainabilty and they want to be able to have enough to fund any current claims for the next 100 plus years. This is despite the fact 94% of claimants are rehabilitated in under nine months and 78% regained independence within 12 weeks.

Incidently, businesses view ACC levies as a tax anyway and because it's election year there will probably be a little election time "tax cut" just like every election year.

[Robbo]

Good onya ...I hate that I pay up to five regos (for my bikes) while I can only ride one at a time (three rego'd at the mo ) thieving pricks! At least you could argue that your'e not likely to get mugged like the taxi driver....long may you get away with it and hope you don't have to put it to the test.

I'm with you on that one Swarfie, untill a few months ago i had four bikes, my work ute and my private car. All of which i was paying ACC levies on and on top of that was the ACC levy on my anual income. That's paying seven times for the one person. This to me is theft and was obviously designed by a fuckwit. As one person i can only do one task at a time and certainly can't do my job and ride four bikes and drive two vehicles at once.
The system needs to be calculated for one person only and to cover you for all activities to be considered fair.
As i have been paying ACC since it was introduced and never had a claim i should be entitled to a No Claims Bonus each year also.