Get some of your ACC levy back

[mossy1200]

I always wondered why my levies were so high. Now I understand. If they cant negotiate a good deal on a training course fee its not surprising they cant manage money well.

Its likely the course cost is $50 and the other $245 is being filtered away to buy more revenue cameras.

[avgas]

Clipped tickets is the revenue of the future - doncha' know

[SuperMac]

I have no problem with the trainers getting paid.

I should of course have kept my trap shut until I know what the course entails and how many people there are per trainer. But if it's more than 3, I think they are milking a system and part of the problem.

So are you suggesting that the trainers are going to retire early & rich?

I'm not in NZ, so only know my local training costs - as in both 'what it costs to run training' and 'what it costs to take training'.

Also, I know no rich trainers

Even as a part-timer with a Mon-Fri to pay the mortgage, I was charging about NZ$250 for a day 1:1 on-road training. If I'd been hiring a training site (especially a track of any sort) I'd have needed a fair number of trainees to cover the costs incurred, and probably would have needed run the session with several instructors and more riders taking part.

Picked not at random, since I know they run on-road, track, and other training courses:
http://www.hoppridertraining.co.uk/

On Road Training How Much is it? Our standard package is £250 for a full day of 1:1 instruction, if you want to share the day with a friend its £175 each for 2 people with one instructor.

Better Riding Days with Hopp Rider Training We hire the full circuit at Cadwell Park to give you a safe environment to improve your skills.
£195 for the day. 7x 20-minute sessions on track. Your morning will be spent learning the circuit in a mini-group of 6 bikes with your own instructor, with each of the 4 sessions being themed to a particular skill. In the afternoon you will have 3 more 20-minute sessions for free lapping

Advanced Machine Skills We have enormous airfield sites that we use to help you learn how your bike goes, turns and stops. It’s £135 per person


So roughly double those prices to NZ$ . . .

[Drew]

One on one training, I would pay more than $295 for the day happily.

I doubt the training would be terribly efficient at more than one trainer to four riders. For on road at least.

There was a training course offered free her in Wellington some time ago. I had a birthday party the night before though, so didn't take advantage of it. Mind, I would have been little more than a distraction for the others who took part. Even if I was sober.

[Tigadee]

Mind, I would have been little more than a distraction for the others who took part. Even if I was sober.

Yeah, I don't think drifts and wheelies would have been a good example of a safe rider.... Heh! Heh!

[Erelyes]

I did one of these $50 courses a month or so ago and can thoroughly recommend it.

Regarding the true cost, if you work out the numbers then it's not that much, especially when you consider that often the provider is having to trailer their own bike wherever the course is held (3 vehicle's worth of rego right there), possibly staying overnight, leasing somewhere to do the tuition, insurance, income tax, ACC levies, accountancy fees, course material, wear and tear on their own bike, petrol, buying a bunch of R/T / headsets etc...

If they charged 150/head they'd be better off working minimum wage and then we'd all go without

Drew, 1-on-5 achieved something for me, but then I'm a noob. Even so, on a three hour ride they will spend over a half hour soley assessing your riding. Even if you're paying $50 to be told objectively that you're a fucken good rider, seems like good value to me.

My 2c

[Zedder]

The Gubbermint should stop pissing around and make training compulsory at full price 'cos there's bills to pay etc.

Next up, birth levy 'cos ya gunna have an accident sooner or later and there's bills to pay etc...

[nzmikey]

So THAT,s how you stop them from bursting into flames!

Depends on if he landed it correctly ....

[Gremlin]

I think its unfair that experienced riders should subsidise training for new or returning riders. Why then not put the cost of car registration up to subsidise driving lessons to use the same analogy.

Why do you presume that only new or returning riders would benefit from training? Quite common to see poor riding from riders that have been riding a couple of decades. The bad habits become the norm and the riding standard slips.

One thing to note, in my opinion, a day does not a better rider make. It takes continuous effort over the course of time, to remain riding well. However, it's sure better than nothing and will highlight issues you need to work on.

[GTRMAN]

I think its unfair that experienced riders should subsidise training for new or returning riders. Why then not put the cost of car registration up to subsidise driving lessons to use the same
analogy.

So does experienced mean you have nothing left to learn or improve on?

Perhaps this is part of the issue, as riders we think we know it all. Right up to the point when we realise we don't, generally when it all goes wrong...

[Zedder]

Why do you presume that only new or returning riders would benefit from training? Quite common to see poor riding from riders that have been riding a couple of decades. The bad habits become the norm and the riding standard slips.

One thing to note, in my opinion, a day does not a better rider make. It takes continuous effort over the course of time, to remain riding well. However, it's sure better than nothing and will highlight issues you need to work on.

I'm in the riding for a couple of decades bracket, however it's compounded by riding on the road over here for only 6 months of the year.

Luckily I ride a bit off road in OZ but I do have to "retrain" every time I come back to NZ which takes a rides or two.

[rastuscat]

Best part about a 1-day training thingy is making you realize that there are things about your riding that you can improve.

Self awareness is a wonderful thing. Lots of us think we are the dogz bollix on the bike, with little to learn.

Back a couple of years there was a thing called Biketoberfest in Manchester Street, Chur Chur.

I was asked to go out on a group ride on the Popo bike with a group of "experienced" guys on the new range of Harleys. Worst group riding experience of my life. Thing is, we Popos practice formation riding, so I guess expecting everyone to know the formations was a bit silly. Honestly tho, I'll never ride with a group like that again.

Yes, all experienced riders. Nightmare.

[rastuscat]

Luckily I ride a bit off road in OZ but I do have to "retrain" every time I come back to NZ which takes a rides or two.

I personally don't ride off road, but the best guys I know on the road are off-roaders too. It teaches bike handling skills par excellence.

When we did the original Popo bike course, we used XR200s to learn the skills, which then transferred to the R1150RT-Ps. Great skill transfer.

[Zedder]

I personally don't ride off road, but the best guys I know on the road are off-roaders too. It teaches bike handling skills par excellence.

When we did the original Popo bike course, we used XR200s to learn the skills, which then transferred to the R1150RT-Ps. Great skill transfer.

That's interesting rtc. I learnt to ride off road and it'll always be my favoured method of "having a blast" but I've never really thought of the skills being that much transferable due to the many different factors involved.

I think I would go for confidence in throwing a bike around as being right up there as far as major skill goes though.

[Erelyes]

I think its unfair that experienced riders should subsidise training for new or returning riders.

Y'know, if all goes to plan, you won't be.

The whole idea of spending ACC money on rider training is so that people don't end up writing themselves off and living off ACC for the rest of their lives.

If a thousand riders get subsidised to the tune of $200 each and just ONE of them doesn't write themselves off as a result, I would be willing to bet that ACC almost makes the money back right there. I hear that healthcare, rehab, etc can be expensive. And there are more rich doctors than rich motorcycle instructors.