Speed tolerance reduced for December and January

[James Deuce]

Once again, it's not a conspiracy about distraction. My point is, and backed by research, all too often speeding has got the blame for crashes. However, there's other factors. That's the facts.

Duuuuh. OMG. Go for a swim off Fukushima and grow another eye, the one you've got is distracted. I SAID THAT. SHeesh. But the only ones "people" can be easily educated about with easily presented ramifications for are speed and deliberately altered personal cognition. I don't care if they call distraction speed. Or blue, purple. Until drivers take responsibility for fixing the inconvenient truth about the road toll, the law isn't going to cut you any slack. Or tell you the truth. But you know what? When you're lying on the side of the road, barely alive, staring at the sky through pinholes, none of this shit matters. Until we present an argument that we can be trusted to get from one point to another without fucking anyone's day up, you're not going to be presented with anything except a "scam".

[roogazza]

I don't know why everyone is getting so uptight. So when the detector goes off or we see a patrol car or speed camera, we shed an extra 5kph of speed more than previously.

Better living, everyone.

Thats the one ! I did Kapiti to Wgton and return last night. Very noticeable the traffic sticking to the 104.
The Falcooon being picked as a possible mufti maybe ?

Better living to U too ! lol.

[Kickaha]

Iirc, Scuba Steve and Rastuscat once posted about a deferrment experiment to do with not fining bikers who broke the road rules. To my knowledge, that was a complete failure and it was clear tptb wanted the revenue.

To "your knowledge" why was it a failure? got any facts to support that?

So why did the TPTB reduce fines a few years back if all they wanted was revenue?

Humans possess this natural 'power' some call it "self preservation" in simple terms people don't want to die & will try and avoid it. Strange I know... But left to themselves humans will travel at around the same speed (even mentioned in your "facts" to be safer) & a safe one for the roads/conditions.

Every day I see behaviour that is contrary to this

[Zedder]

Duuuuh. OMG. Go for a swim off Fukushima and grow another eye, the one you've got is distracted. I SAID THAT. SHeesh. But the only ones "people" can be easily educated about with easily presented ramifications for are speed and deliberately altered personal cognition. I don't care if they call distraction speed. Or blue, purple. Until drivers take responsibility for fixing the inconvenient truth about the road toll, the law isn't going to cut you any slack. Or tell you the truth. But you know what? When you're lying on the side of the road, barely alive, staring at the sky through pinholes, none of this shit matters. Until we present an argument that we can be trusted to get from one point to another without fucking anyone's day up, you're not going to be presented with anything except a "scam".

Calm down, I saw you wrote about conspiracy nutters which annoyed me.

The guy who wrote the book on distraction has ways to address the problems, they don't appear to be applied yet which winds me up as does what you call the easy education approach. Incidently, I certainly agree with the personal responsibility and yet when it all boils down, there's only a certain amount you can do because of factors like SMIDSY etc.

Anyway, I'm off for a motorbike ride.

[rastuscat]

Iirc, Scuba Steve and Rastuscat once posted about a deferrment experiment to do with not fining bikers who broke the road rules. To my knowledge, that was a complete failure and it was clear tptb wanted the revenue.

To your knowledge? We're doing the same thing this year, I'm rolling it out to all the Road Policing staff, with the managements approval.

Guess that shoots that shit down.

For the record, we still fine the ones we catch. But they get an option to have the fine cancelled if they go and complete a ride forever training day.

www.rideforever.co.nz for details of the course. The scheme is to have the tickets cancelled is only here in Christchurch, but that's coz I work in Christchurch. I'd run it nationwide if I thought I was God. But I ain't. It might grow, hard to see into the future.

[rastuscat]

Anyway, I'm off for a motorbike ride.

Most sensible comment I've seen all day.

The guy who wrote the book on distraction has ways to address the problems, they don't appear to be applied yet which winds me up as does what you call the easy education approach. Incidently, I certainly agree with the personal responsibility and yet when it all boils down, there's only a certain amount you can do because of factors like SMIDSY etc.

SMIDSYs and distraction are close cousins.

[Scuba_Steve]

Maybe I'll go start a thread about the other things we focus on, and see how much that interests people.

I'm sure a few of us might be, I for 1 would.
I'd like to know some good comes from NZs biggest gang everything else is "Napier division abusing power & using bully tactics to harass & intimidate" "Northland division illegally oppressing" "Speaking out about Police crimes gets you bullied" "police dealing drugs" "police step up scamming efforts" etc you know standard criminal gang stuff so be good to hear some different things for once

[rastuscat]

I'm sure a few of us might be, I for 1 would.
I'd like to know some good comes from NZs biggest gang everything else is "Napier division abusing power & using bully tactics to harass & intimidate" "Northland division illegally oppressing" "Speaking out about Police crimes gets you bullied" "police dealing drugs" "police step up scamming efforts" etc you know standard criminal gang stuff so be good to hear some different things for once

How about this.

Most people who cause crashes in NZ are not gang members, boy racers or foreigners from a certain part of the world. Most are just Mr and Mrs Average who balls something up.

So when Mr and Mrs Average lectures me about how I should go and pick on gang members, boy racers and folk from that certain part of the world, I cringe.

I'd like to carry a mirror around, and when people start to lecture me about how it's everyone else who is the problem, I can show them a picture of the person whose behavior they can and should change instantly. Them.

Not sure I'd stay employed though.

[Tazz]

Well obviously I didn't take you seriously otherwise I would have posted the link to the data...

It would have to exist for me to take you seriously there too I guess

for all the pissing and moaning. here's what's going to happen:
fuckall.
life will go on as usual.

as much as i'd like to see the drains run with blood and piled with the charred remains of four wheeled things, there will be exactly no more, or less crashes than at any other time. ever.

now. can y'all fuck up about it.

Man you're a spoil sport. Supply something else to whinge about and we'll be all over it haha

Get some new cops then, - hell, in four years you could have MY job!!

(BTW, so, since this 'tickets for 104+' came in how many have got a ticket for 105 - 110kph??)

Eh? I thought there was a recruitment freeze? Bit tricky to jump in when the door is closed.

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Most people who cause crashes in NZ are not gang members, boy racers or foreigners from a certain part of the world. Most are just Mr and Mrs Average who balls something up.

Yeah but unless you're sitting right beside them 24/7 watching, correcting, making cups of tea, the balls ups will still happen. They can never be completely eliminated short of just making sure people are never born in the first place? Even someone who lives in a bubble lives with risk.

Seems kinda in line with banning kids from climbing trees in case they fall and such like in a way.
Better to teach them how to do it properly/safely rather than scold them after the fact, but in fairness the rider training instead of a ticket is in line with that imo. Even both would be a good thing. I'm all for that and will be doing it, pulled over or not , when they hit Nelson next year.

[rastuscat]

Better to teach them how to do it properly/safely rather than scold them after the fact, but in fairness the rider training instead of a ticket is in line with that imo. Even both would be a good thing. I'm all for that and will be doing it, pulled over or not , when they hit Nelson next year.

Training isn't compulsory. It's voluntary. Which means that those who do it are actually the least likely to need it.

If it was compulsory there'd be a thread about how it breaches the NZ Bill of Rights Act.

It's the ones who think they are so shit hot they don't need it who could probably benefit most. Which is where the idea of incentivising training was born.

[Tazz]

Training isn't compulsory. It's voluntary. Which means that those who do it are actually the least likely to need it.

If it was compulsory there'd be a thread about how it breaches the NZ Bill of Rights Act.

It's the ones who think they are so shit hot they don't need it who could probably benefit most. Which is where the idea of incentivising training was born.

Pffft, if you think the whinging on here or in NZ is bad you should try living with the Irish.

Ideally it would be tied in with your licence training, as in to keep your licence you need to do a refresher course every X amount of years or what have you, kinda like first aid and their refreshers. Shit add a first aid course with it too
Getting people to foot the bill is the hard part, and I'd probably gripe about having to pay it till it was just the norm. We're pretty lucky compared to some places overseas with how things are now (even with the Nazi 5km h tolerance *bitch moan* ).

Mostly the old boys probably wouldn't like such things, but they had the lifetime license and all sorts yanked away from them, and they're old, so grumbling comes with the turf

[Zedder]

To your knowledge? We're doing the same thing this year, I'm rolling it out to all the Road Policing staff, with the managements approval.

Guess that shoots that shit down.

For the record, we still fine the ones we catch. But they get an option to have the fine cancelled if they go and complete a ride forever training day.

www.rideforever.co.nz for details of the course. The scheme is to have the tickets cancelled is only here in Christchurch, but that's coz I work in Christchurch. I'd run it nationwide if I thought I was God. But I ain't. It might grow, hard to see into the future.

Thanks for the correction, thats why I wrote iirc and to my knowledge. But faaark, I'm wrong on KB, my life is ruined.

[Jantar]

It's really easy for the management to make a media statement about how we'll be rigidly enforcing the 4 kmh tolerance.

It's another issue altogether to get the troops to buy into it.

True, but so many members of the public believe that media statement that the roads are much more dangerous now than they were one week ago.

[Zedder]

Most sensible comment I've seen all day.

SMIDSYs and distraction are close cousins.

Such a cutting response.

It looks like you're learning too, 'cos you thought inattention was the greatest causal factor in crashes in an earlier post.

[Damantis]

You got a detector to stop being pinged by the speed scam. If there wasn't a scam ya wouldn't have had to.

Do you enjoy having to slow down and therefore impede your journey because of the detector going off or you seeing a patrol car etc? It's going to be worse than before the lower tolerance came in.

More impeded, pissed off riders/drivers everyone.

But let's face it, it IS a game. A detector doesn't break the rules so is acceptable equipment for participants in the game. Anyone serious about such competition will invest in the appropriate equipment. If a player gets penalized within the rules, it's a fair cop. We start the game with 100 lives. Lose 100 lives in a rolling two year period, and you get a red card for a few months. Having to slow down and "impede" my journey is the equivalent of stopping play to hi-five my team mates! Who doesn't enjoy scoring?

It's only a scam if you believe there is something going on that is not.

Now, if the governing body decided to ban detectors and allow "hidden" speed cameras, the game would be too unfair to allow motorist to win. THEN, I'd be bleating.