Speed tolerance reduced for December and January

[Zedder]

It would have to exist for me to take you seriously there too I guess

Wow, all this time to catch up and that's all ya got.

Is this place just for marketing your pearls and vehicle?

[Zedder]

But let's face it, it IS a game. A detector doesn't break the rules so is acceptable equipment for participants in the game. Anyone serious about such competition will invest in the appropriate equipment. If a player gets penalized within the rules, it's a fair cop. We start the game with 100 lives. Lose 100 lives in a rolling two year period, and you get a red card for a few months. Having to slow down and "impede" my journey is the equivalent of stopping play to hi-five my team mates! Who doesn't enjoy scoring?

It's only a scam if you believe there is something going on that is not.

Now, if the governing body decided to ban detectors and allow "hidden" speed cameras, the game would be too unfair to allow motorist to win. THEN, I'd be bleating.

Lol, don't be a wimp, get rid of the detector. It's much more exciting that way.

I get what you're on about though.

[Tazz]

Wow, all this time to catch up and that's all ya got.

Is this place just for marketing your pearls and vehicle?

Of course. I rise to your bait fully in the interests of marketing *insert other half of Tui billboard here* Oh, and apparently for trolling

Sorry I don't care enough to reply at a speed that massages your ego sufficiently Chin up.

Enjoy your school holidays.

[Zedder]

Of course. I rise to your bait fully in the interests of marketing *insert other half of Tui billboard here* Oh, and apparently for trolling

Sorry I don't care enough to reply at a speed that massages your ego sufficiently Chin up.

Enjoy your school holidays.

I don't even think you have a motorbike you sad little man.

[Tazz]

I don't even think you have a motorbike you sad little man.

[Jantar]

Interested in some research?

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Actually read it before commenting.

OK, I did read it, and also the fact sheet on Credible limits that it links to http://www.swov.nl/rapport/Factsheet...ble_limits.pdf
where it says "Credible speed limits also have the desired effect on driving speed behaviour: a credible speed limit is obeyed better." New Zealand's speed enforcement as given via media releases is no longer credible.

I also notice that it is a Netherland's study and is contrary to this Canadian report "Review and Analysis of Posted Speed Limits and Speed Limit Setting Practices in British Columbia".
Also the document "Speed Zone Guidelines A Proposed Recommended Practice" which is an attchment to the Canadian report recommends that speed limits should be set at the 85th percentile of speeds that drivers would drive at if speed limits were NOT enforced.

[Zedder]

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What the hell's the point of posting the size of your dick/brain on here?

[Tazz]

OK, I did read it, and also the fact sheet on Credible limits that it links to http://www.swov.nl/rapport/Factsheet...ble_limits.pdf
where it says "Credible speed limits also have the desired effect on driving speed behaviour: a credible speed limit is obeyed better." New Zealand's speed enforcement as given via media releases is no longer credible.

I also notice that it is a Netherland's study and is contrary to this Canadian report Review and Analysis of Posted Speed Limits and Speed Limit Setting Practices in British Columbia.
Also he document "Speed Zone Guidelines A Proposed Recommended Practice" which is an attchment to the Canadian report recommends that speed limits should be set at the 85th percentile of speeds that drivers would drive at if speed limits were NOT enforced.

Hmm, that is a good point but wouldn't that depend a lot on the culture surrounding the speed limit as well?
One other thing NZ is let down on compared to overseas are road conditions, they are crap.
I was all for open speed limits and the like when I was younger, and then when I actually drove on the Autobahn I realized the massive difference in road conditions and (somewhat) the lack of general driving ability here in NZ in comparison (such as decent gaps left, not rushing to cut people off/space made for cars/trucks to change into your lane).

This bit was interesting:

"It must be noted, however, that the relation between speed and crash rate is much less direct and much more complicated than the relation between speed and crash severity."

I may be reaching, but is that more or less saying you can cherry pick statistics to show that speed is dangerous because when some muppet crossing the road without judging traffic correctly in a 80 or 100km h zone and gets squashed, it goes down as a tragic death, where as if said muppet did the same at 20 or 40km h the Darwin award wouldn't get handed out and as such, statistically, stupidity is deemed safer?

I know I'm cherry picking an example myself, but it makes me feel better

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What the hell's the point of posting the size of your dick/brain on here?

[Zedder]

Attention seeking? I'm not the one with the brereton blue pearls web site advertisement.

[swbarnett]

The only people who can change laws are road users who demonstrate statistically that they drive/ride well enough to be trusted.

I think you'll find that history disagrees strongly with this.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. - George Bernard Shaw

[swbarnett]

Until drivers take responsibility for fixing the inconvenient truth about the road toll,

What's so inconvenient? We are born, we live and then we die. Some die on the roads. These are inalienable truths that cannot be changed.

[swbarnett]

So why did the TPTB reduce fines a few years back if all they wanted was revenue?

Because if the fines are lower there are fewer defaulters and they actually get more money than before. That's the theory anyway. I don't know if it actually worked.

[Akzle]

your dick/brain on here?

contrary to how youve obviously been raised, for most people, those two things are separate

[Kickaha]

Because if the fines are lower there are fewer defaulters and they actually get more money than before. That's the theory anyway. I don't know if it actually worked.

Your theory is it?

Be interesting to see a comparison between tickets issued, licences lost, vehicles impounded vs crashes the habitual offenders are involved in

[swbarnett]

Training isn't compulsory. It's voluntary.

There's the problem in a nutshell.

If it was compulsory there'd be a thread about how it breaches the NZ Bill of Rights Act.

I think you're wrong there. Does having to obtain a driver's license breach the NZ Bill of Rights Act?