Speed tolerance reduced for December and January

[rastuscat]

Still can't get over the rebvenue collecting thing.

If we really wanted to make some dosh, it'd be far more lucrative for us to hammer all the $150 things.

If we write lots of $30 tickets, it's take 5 times as many to just equal the $150 ones.

Believe it or not, the cop writing the ticket couldn't give a big rats arse aboyut the money.

[Robbo]

The thing about having a media campaign on the 4k tolerance is that it draws it to the front of everyones mind.

After a while it'll just become ho hum, and there'll be a need for the next gasp-factor to come along.

About 18 months is what it takes for a campaign to have the gasp-factor run out, so look out for the next big thing.

Yep, and that is exactly what has happened in this case Rastus. If it was up to you to pick the next campaign, what would you choose. Bearing in mind you will have seen some of the issues that concern many of us. My biggest complaint is tailgating as apart from the danger of being rear ended it creates a major distraction that can effect your concentration. Next would be red light runners.
Cheers

[pzkpfw]

... Next would be red light runners. ...

As with speed (i.e. speed cameras) that's something where the enforcement can be partially automated.

I'd like to see more of that stuff automated - then the flesh and blood cops out there could concentrate more on the stuff like following distance; the general behaviour stuff.

[Scuba_Steve]

Still can't get over the rebvenue collecting thing.

If we really wanted to make some dosh, it'd be far more lucrative for us to hammer all the $150 things.

If we write lots of $30 tickets, it's take 5 times as many to just equal the $150 ones.

Believe it or not, the cop writing the ticket couldn't give a big rats arse aboyut the money.

$57mil/yr to Govt, $21mil/yr (I think you said?) to your gang, only thing it's ever been shown to do for safety is have an adverse effect & that extends to the greater community too not just roads.
So if it aint for the $$$ what the hell is it for? cause it sure is hell aint for safety.

[Kickaha]

I'm sure most of us would agree that excessive speed is dangerous.

How do you define excessive speed? I would have said speed inappropriate for the conditions is what is dangerous but then I sure we all have a different idea on what that would be as well

[Robbo]

How do you define excessive speed? I would have said speed inappropriate for the conditions is what is dangerous but then I sure we all have a different idea on what that would be as well

Yep, agreed, inappropriate is probably a better description. There does, however, have to be boundaries set in regard to speed limits or we would have total anarchy on our roads. I don't have a problem with that as long as common sense and discretion prevails with both us and the enforcers.

[scumdog]

$57mil/yr to Govt, $21mil/yr (I think you said?) to your gang, only thing it's ever been shown to do for safety is have an adverse effect & that extends to the greater community too not just roads.
So if it aint for the $$$ what the hell is it for? cause it sure is hell aint for safety.

Wow, now THERE'S something we haven't heard before...

A cracked record comes to mind...

[tri boy]

My biggest complaint is tailgating as apart from the danger of being rear ended it creates a major distraction that can effect your concentration. Next would be red light runners.
Cheers

Mine is people who casually cut corners and drift over the centre line. (new 4x4 wagons and utes seem to be the biggest offenders)
If I was king, that would be this summers big target. Head-on accidents are messy.

[swbarnett]

have to be boundaries set in regard to speed limits or we would have total anarchy on our roads. I don't have a problem with that as long as common sense and discretion prevails with both us and the enforcers.

That's the thing. It's been shown repeatedly that removing speed limits (on open roads) actually reduces the road toll. If a driver is allowed to drive at their own comfortable speed (high or low) they're mind is going to be more engaged in the act of driving i.e fewer distracted drivers.

[scumdog]

Mine is people who casually cut corners and drift over the centre line. (new 4x4 wagons and utes seem to be the biggest offenders)
If I was king, that would be this summers big target. Head-on accidents are messy.

Yep, head-ons rarely happen when people keep to their own side of the road...

[Rhys]

Yep, head-ons rarely happen when people keep to their own side of the road...

plus one especially double yellows

[rastuscat]

That's the thing. It's been shown repeatedly that removing speed limits (on open roads) actually reduces the road toll. If a driver is allowed to drive at their own comfortable speed (high or low) they're mind is going to be more engaged in the act of driving i.e fewer distracted drivers.

Ah, if only we lived in a world where our actions effected us alone.

Right. A little old lady, with a reduced ability to judge the speed of oncoming traffic, sits in a give way, looking left and right.

She sees a car off in the distance, and judges that she is safe to go, so does.

Johnny Imalrightjack has been driving down the road feeling that his own comfortable 70 km/h is cool, he's fully in control, and that life is good. That car in the give way means that he has right of way, so it'll be her fault if she pulls out.

See what I mean? Our actions don't just impact us. They impact the decision making process of others.

Are you really saying that a driver can't be alert while driving at the posted speed limit?

[swbarnett]

Ah, if only we lived in a world where our actions effected us alone.

Right. A little old lady, with a reduced ability to judge the speed of oncoming traffic, sits in a give way, looking left and right.

She sees a car off in the distance, and judges that she is safe to go, so does.

Johnny Imalrightjack has been driving down the road feeling that his own comfortable 70 km/h is cool, he's fully in control, and that life is good. That car in the give way means that he has right of way, so it'll be her fault if she pulls out.

See what I mean?

I see exactly what you mean. However, you've missed my entire point. Iirespective of scenarios like that described above, a correlation has been shown repeatedly between removing speed limits and a reduction in the road toll.

Are you really saying that a driver can't be alert while driving at the posted speed limit?

Now we're getting somewhere. Yes, some drivers are incapable of being alert at the speed limit. Sometimes because there's too much going on and they should be driving slower (usually because of adverse weather etc.) and sometimes because they're just bored; the brain is very good at finding other things to keep it occupied

[G4L4XY]

Just wait till they see lowering the speed limit works, soon it'll drop to 90kmp/h

[Tazz]

Mine is people who casually cut corners and drift over the centre line. (new 4x4 wagons and utes seem to be the biggest offenders)
If I was king, that would be this summers big target. Head-on accidents are messy.

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I ride Queen Charlotte Drive pretty much every second day and without fail I will see at least 3 cars doing this by either unnecessarily swinging wide before a corner, taking the whole damn corner in the middle of the road or swinging out wide after the corner and to hell with the rest of the traffic Even keeping an eye for them and driving defensively there are some corners you just can't avoid them unless you stay at home

I've seen trucks negotiate the road better than one black 'local' ute driver in particular that is on there regularly.

Ah, if only we lived in a world where our actions effected us alone.

Right. A little old lady, with a reduced ability to judge the speed of oncoming traffic, sits in a give way, looking left and right.

She sees a car off in the distance, and judges that she is safe to go, so does.

Johnny Imalrightjack has been driving down the road feeling that his own comfortable 70 km/h is cool, he's fully in control, and that life is good. That car in the give way means that he has right of way, so it'll be her fault if she pulls out.

See what I mean? Our actions don't just impact us. They impact the decision making process of others.

Are you really saying that a driver can't be alert while driving at the posted speed limit?

To be fair, short of making everywhere the same speed this will always have the potential to happen, but I'd like to think that little old lady wouldn't be on the road if she wasn't up to it, or her lack of confidence would actually cause her to wait until the road was completely clear.
It's the old man that would rev the tits out of it in first gear and pull out in front of you haha, but then (as stricter license testing and better 'training' came in with the open limit ) Johnny will be scanning ahead of himself and anticipating that the little car ahead slowly rolling out is a hazard, and drive accordingly