Speed tolerance reduced for December and January

[bluninja]

Cool point actually.

I can think of the Northern Territory experiment that's going on. Interesting arguments either way, I see that it's ongoing. Thing is, how many roads do we have that are hundreds of kilometres long with nil junctions, bugger all curves, etc ? I mean, the NT roads are, ahem, a little different to ours.

Then there's the autobahn. So may people tell us how safe the autobahn is with no speed limit. Um, just how many roads do we have with such quality surfaces, quality barriers, quality on and off ramps.

Surely you'd be lucky to find any road in NZ with that sort of quality.

Am I wrong?

Cool observation....In short if we stop dicking around with speed restrictions and engineer the roads and junctions to reduce opportunities for head ons and SMIDSYs then the road toll would drop, regardless of marginal driving skills.

For all the money being spent on this program they could probably replace blackspot crossroads with big roundabouts. I'm certain it would have a more lasting road safety effect...sort of like traffic calming bumps, but without the bumps.

[swbarnett]

Cool point actually.

I can think of the Northern Territory experiment that's going on. Interesting arguments either way, I see that it's ongoing. Thing is, how many roads do we have that are hundreds of kilometres long with nil junctions, bugger all curves, etc ? I mean, the NT roads are, ahem, a little different to ours.

Then there's the autobahn. So may people tell us how safe the autobahn is with no speed limit. Um, just how many roads do we have with such quality surfaces, quality barriers, quality on and off ramps.

Surely you'd be lucky to find any road in NZ with that sort of quality.

Am I wrong?

I can think of one of the top of my head. Puhoi to Hampton Downs. By the end of 2019 it'll stretch all the way to Hamilton.

From memory there have been other places where the roads are closer to the standard NZ rural road where an increase in the limit was followed by an immediate and sustained reduction in crashes.

[bogan]

Cool point actually.

I can think of the Northern Territory experiment that's going on. Interesting arguments either way, I see that it's ongoing. Thing is, how many roads do we have that are hundreds of kilometres long with nil junctions, bugger all curves, etc ? I mean, the NT roads are, ahem, a little different to ours.

Then there's the autobahn. So may people tell us how safe the autobahn is with no speed limit. Um, just how many roads do we have with such quality surfaces, quality barriers, quality on and off ramps.

Surely you'd be lucky to find any road in NZ with that sort of quality.

Am I wrong?

No speed limit doesn't mean you'll see limitless speeds, isn't the whole idea of it to get drivers to have to think about driving to the conditions instead of a target? In such a case road quality still limits the speed, just not through a blnket speed limit. 100kmhr is a very appropriate for many of our roads, so is 80, so is 120; that's why +4kmhr tolerance is not appropriate.

[scumdog]

it never ceases to amaze me how many people tell me that the standard of roads and driving in Noo Zilland is dreadful, but that the speed limit is too low.

Ain't THAT the truth!

[G4L4XY]

So whose willing to admit they've been done thus far?

[Zedder]

No speed limit doesn't mean you'll see limitless speeds, isn't the whole idea of it to get drivers to have to think about driving to the conditions instead of a target? In such a case road quality still limits the speed, just not through a blnket speed limit. 100kmhr is a very appropriate for many of our roads, so is 80, so is 120; that's why +4kmhr tolerance is not appropriate.

It's an interesting phenomennom. Having driven/ridden in the NT of Oz prior to the change to a speed limit I used to cruise at 120kmph (just seemed to work for comfort and economy) and yet was overtaken at what appeared to be much higher speeds. I never saw any evidence of crashes etc though.

However, in Abu Dhabi before the reduction to 140kmph, I often experienced scary situations. Mind you, over there they have that fatalistic Muslim attitude.

[Zedder]

Ain't THAT the truth!

A predictable response given your job sd. You're hardly likely to contradict him.

[rastuscat]

A predictable response given your job sd. You're hardly likely to contradict him.

Hey Scummie, get this........

[rastuscat]

It's an interesting phenomennom. Having driven/ridden in the NT of Oz prior to the change to a speed limit I used to cruise at 120kmph (just seemed to work for comfort and economy) and yet was overtaken at what appeared to be much higher speeds. I never saw any evidence of crashes etc though.

However, in Abu Dhabi before the reduction to 140kmph, I often experienced scary situations. Mind you, over there they have that fatalistic Muslim attitude.

Yes, in the Muslim world they have a different (and quite respectable) attitude to death, so it's not surprising they have a different attitude to driving.

[_Shrek_]

So whose willing to admit they've been done thus far?

speed cam towing trailer.... was in a line of traffic doing 102ks & mrs S got a wee thing in the post

[rastuscat]

I can think of one of the top of my head. Puhoi to Hampton Downs. By the end of 2019 it'll stretch all the way to Hamilton.

From memory there have been other places where the roads are closer to the standard NZ rural road where an increase in the limit was followed by an immediate and sustained reduction in crashes.

Canterbury Plains might be a candidate too, were it not for the crash rate down there.

[Zedder]

Hey Scummie, get this........

Spoilsport.

Why should he have the monopoly on "winding up" just cos it's in his sig?

[Zedder]

Yes, in the Muslim world they have a different (and quite respectable) attitude to death, so it's not surprising they have a different attitude to driving.

Faark rtc, they have no respect for danger and "Insha'Allah" is like open slather to be bloody reckless.

[bogan]

Canterbury Plains might be a candidate too, were it not for the crash rate down there.

Isn't the point to reduce such a crash rate by increasing the speed though? I mean what's the bigger cause of crashes there, driver inattention? or loss of control due to excessive speed?

[scumdog]

Hey Scummie, get this........

Hey, c'mon, I'm AGREEING with you!

(What would I get if I didn't???)