Speed tolerance reduced for December and January

[Akzle]

So? And the problem is.....?

people like you. who have to ask.

[Kickaha]

and yes. One has a moral obligation to disobey unjust rule

Who gets to decide if the rule is unjust?

[swbarnett]

Who gets to decide if the rule is unjust?

That's up to your individual sense of right and wrong. Sometimes it's not very clear cut. Other times it's bloody obvious.

Thre are some very famous historical figures that lived by this principle that are generally regarded in a very positive light. Nelson Mandela and Ghandi spring immediately to mind.

[scumdog]

About voting, how about this Rastus. How effective would your enforcement/safety tools be if you only got to ticket/arrest/impound bad drivers, speeders, drunks etc once every three years and the rest of the time had to sit back and watch the train wreck unfold, cause that's how democracy 'works'.

Well THAT makes sense...on KB maybe...

Or so some would think.

[Akzle]

Who gets to decide if the rule is unjust?

not jew.

Your creator, call it god or mohammed or yhyw-qz3##.
Has written into your dna. If you are doing wrong, you will not be at peace.

[willytheekid]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9601...is-road-menace

"They've been going on since Christmas about this damn road toll, and here we are trying to be proactive in stopping both him hurting himself, and more importantly, him running over some kid in the street.

"He's a danger on the road, but they're just not interested."

After 28 years service to the police, he said "it's really put me off them".

"Their attitude these days is like a police state, and unless they can issue a ticket for revenue gathering, they're not interested"

....so much fail its just not funny

After 28yrs service!...even he has noticed the dramatic shift towards revenue collection over actual roadsafety!

...lets just wait till this MENTALLY UNSTABLE kid kills someone...THEN act

[pritch]

"Their attitude these days is like a police state, and unless they can issue a ticket for revenue gathering, they're not interested"

Could be worse, could be like Queensland.

Apparently there is a law there that says you can't leave a car unlocked. On hot days people will leave the windows down a bit but there is a limit, if any window is more than 5cm(?) down you get an A$146 ticket for leaving the car unlocked. There was a photo of a female cop in a Supermarket car park checking the gaps with a ruler.

A motorcyclist took a foot off the peg to stretch his leg, he was stopped and issued a ticket for riding with his feet off the pegs.

The money just keeps rolling in.

[Ocean1]

A motorcyclist took a foot off the peg to stretch his leg, he was stopped and issued a ticket for riding with his feet off the pegs.

Any law about riding with your arse on the seat?

'Cause I routinely stand on the pegs for 10 min or so...

[Scuba_Steve]

Any law about riding with your arse on the seat?

'Cause I routinely stand on the pegs for 10 min or so...

If not I'm sure they'll make one if there's moneys to be made

[roogazza]

16 or 17 days to run for the tolerance.
What are we averaging about one death a day on the roads !
If we continue at this rate we'll have have 350 for the year.
That's a 100 up on last year? Mmmmmmm.

[Akzle]

16 or 17 days to run for the tolerance.
What are we averaging about one death a day on the roads !
If we continue at this rate we'll have have 350 for the year.
That's a 100 up on last year? Mmmmmmm.

must have happened because there werent enough police enforcing the 'tolerance' and they must all have happened at 109km/h, because tv said.

[Tigadee]

It is the responsibility of Government to ensure that the laws are understood by the populace. And that those laws are in line with the stated reason for the law. When basic logic puts the lie to the stated reason, that law does not have a mandate to exist. In which case we, the populace, have a moral obligation to ignore said law when it is logical to do so within the reasoning behind that law.

But then where will the gubbermint get its revenue from? If not from the immoral and illogical, and more importantly the ignorant?

[swbarnett]

But then where will the gubbermint get its revenue from? If not from the immoral and illogical, and more importantly the ignorant?

Which is, of course, one of the main reasons they don't bother to educate the populace. An educated population is much harder to subjugate.

[rastuscat]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9601...is-road-menace

"They've been going on since Christmas about this damn road toll, and here we are trying to be proactive in stopping both him hurting himself, and more importantly, him running over some kid in the street.

"He's a danger on the road, but they're just not interested."

After 28 years service to the police, he said "it's really put me off them".

"Their attitude these days is like a police state, and unless they can issue a ticket for revenue gathering, they're not interested"

....so much fail its just not funny

After 28yrs service!...even he has noticed the dramatic shift towards revenue collection over actual roadsafety!

...lets just wait till this MENTALLY UNSTABLE kid kills someone...THEN act

Smiled when I read that story. Its sad for the family, and lots of other families in similar predicaments.

Imagine though, if the Popos just acted on every case like this. Imagine the infignation when I turn up at someones door and remove their licence based on what an informant had told us.

How much closer to a Police state do we really want to get? There is already a process via the medical system and the NZTA which deals with exactly this circumstance.

Nah, let's just let the Popos act on complaints and take peoples right to drive away.

The 28 year veteran chose to forget the process he should have followed instead of using the media to make a whipping boy (yet again) of his ex employer.

If you don't have a legitimate criticism, nothing works quite as well as the old revenue collecting chestnut.

[rastuscat]

and yes. One has a moral obligation to disobey unjust rule

Key point there Akzle.

The decision as to what is unjust is the key.