Speed tolerance reduced for December and January

[TimeOut]

They don't????

Followed two cops into town 60-80k on the open road, not at all worried about the twit in front holding up at least 20 cars, this went on for about 20km.

They were still pinging the real dangerous ones coming the other way that may have been over 100kmph

[scumdog]

Followed two cops into town 60-80k on the open road, not at all worried about the twit in front holding up at least 20 cars, this went on for about 20km.

They were still pinging the real dangerous ones coming the other way that may have been over 100kmph

Following 20 cars at 60-80kph AND pinging cars going the other way for about 20km???

And you did WHAT about this??? - apart from posting here?

[Ocean1]

I'm interested in the accident rate at which you decide the speed's OK.

One every 10,000k? One every 100,00k?

'Cause if you don't have an objective then you don't have a reason to restrict speed at all.

So what is it?

No answer, came the stern reply.

At least NZTA has the sense to know they have to know what they're aiming for.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9567...ight-road-toll

"NZTA road safety director Ernst Zollner said NZTA aspired to have nobody killed or injured on the roads and aimed to stop crashes happening"

If they only had enough sense to recognise that it's a pointless and statistically unachievable objective, (a feature it has in common with the equally asinine OSH group of idiocies), and to admit that the cost of attempting to achieve it will continue to unnecessarily interfere with NZ motorists going about their business.

[oneofsix]

to admit that the cost of attempting to achieve it will continue to unnecessarily interfere with NZ motorists going about their business.

This has been the whole problem with the failed 4k tolerance exercise. I really expected it to achieve better than it has just through people paying more attention to their driving or staying off the roads but instead it seems to have only reinforced the selfrightous idiots. Mixing with the intolerant (no pun on the we wont tolerate speeding ) and tired (taking too long to get anywhere, getting bored through travelling too slow for the conditions) and you discover exceeding the speed limit isn't the problem the and NZTA would try to convince us it is.

[swbarnett]

"NZTA road safety director Ernst Zollner said NZTA aspired to have nobody killed or injured on the roads and aimed to stop crashes happening"

That statement alone disqualifies them for the job. They obviously have no grip whatsoever on reality.

... the cost of attempting to achieve it will continue to unnecessarily interfere with NZ motorists going about their business.

Not to mention that it (along with the reast of the asinine safety crap) will cause more death and suffering than it prevents due to the economic collapse that will inevitably follow.


There are two undeniable facts about life that put the lie to all this safety crap:

1. Noone has the right to save an individual from themselves. Even God (if that's the way you lean) refuses to do this when he endows man with free will.

2. Suffering is a part of life. Without it there is no life.

[Ocean1]

This has been the whole problem with the failed 4k tolerance exercise....

I was more concerned that someone in charge of significant lumps of taxpayer's money should be so obviously lacking in the required qualifications for his job as to propose a zero accident target.

It's as bad as failing to admit that there is in fact a compromise to be made between safety and transport efficiency at all.

And yet those two responses are all we've got from our transport authorities.

It might not be politically expedient to put any actual numbers on that compromise, but at least admit it represents the real world rather than attempt to retreat into fairyland.

Then at least we can have that discussion surrounding what point on the cost/benefit graph is socially acceptable by a majority.

[tri boy]

Id like to hear from po pos on here regarding the new colour scheme on their patrol/highway cars.
I have a theory on the burnt orange ones.
They (the powers that be) chose the orange for camouflage. On the road they are as hard to notice as a grey car on seal. Unless running lights are used, but I havn't seen any using them.
Parked up, with dry grass in front/behind, they are damn hard to see.

That sort of blows the theory of "be seen" out of the water.
I also think there will be more accidents involving this coloured car than there old types.MHO

[Dave-]

Id like to hear from po pos on here regarding the new colour scheme on their patrol/highway cars.
I have a theory on the burnt orange ones.
They (the powers that be) chose the orange for camouflage. On the road they are as hard to notice as a grey car on seal. Unless running lights are used, but I havn't seen any using them.
Parked up, with dry grass in front/behind, they are damn hard to see.

That sort of blows the theory of "be seen" out of the water.
I also think there will be more accidents involving this coloured car than there old types.MHO

How does it feel to learn via kiwibiker, from me, right now, that you need to have your eyes checked?

[Gremlin]

I've done Auckland - Wanganui - Raglan for Boxing Day on the BMW, one cop I think near Ngaruawahia southbound, then a couple hunting (and very slow on the gun) on SH3 coming north (we did SH43 and backroads until north of Taumarunui northbound), driving was pretty normal stuff.

29th from Raglan to Rotorua in the ute and back again on the 31st. To Rotorua only one idiot doing 60-70 on the open road and other than that, no craziness I saw, and even very few cops as well. Traffic was quiet too, so pretty good.

Need to go back to Auckland on 4th, suspect that will be a little different...

[Scuba_Steve]

I was more concerned that someone in charge of significant lumps of taxpayer's money should be so obviously lacking in the required qualifications for his job

I let you know when I see someone in charge of significant taxpayers money who is actually qualified for the position they hold... you got awhile right?

[Swoop]

Thing is, driving is habitual. If we let people cut the open corners enough times, what they learn subconsciously is that it's okay to cut corners. Until one day they make a human error, and cut a corner when it's not a good idea.

Anyone who stays on the correct side of the road is at less risk of a head on than someone who strays from habit.

Please don't think that everyone who uses the roads make well evaluated, well informed decisions every time they do something.

Please STOP posting sensible shit. KB needs to be fed the normal diet.

I blame incompetent and careless piss-poor driving.

That's what the "driver training" system is all about (if you didn't actually pay "Mr X" for your licence in a nice bribery-contra-deal sort of way instead ((Auckland driving skills?)) ).

[Akzle]

That's what the "driver training" system is all about (if you didn't actually pay "Mr X" for your licence in a nice bribery-contra-deal sort of way instead ((Auckland driving skills?)) ).

sorry. remind me again which four jews own the driver licensing scam in NZ...?
(hint, look up NZ driver licensing 1998 ltd)

[oneofsix]

I was more concerned that someone in charge of significant lumps of taxpayer's money should be so obviously lacking in the required qualifications for his job as to propose a zero accident target.

You are rather late in waking up to that little factoid.

[Swoop]

sorry. remind me again which four jews own the driver licensing scam in NZ...?
(hint, look up NZ driver licensing 1998 ltd)

Hmm. I was thinking of the Indians that were providing licencing "services" in west Auckland. Didn't know they were jewish Indians.

[Angel_of_Metal]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11180340

Once again showing that the average NZ Herald reader is fucking clueless and shouldn't be allowed on the roads. The very fact that people are unwilling to do or exceed the 100kph limit in the fast lane demonstrates that they have no idea why motorway fast lanes exist in the first place

I really shouldn't be surprised if this 'trial' becomes regular practice. Maybe I'll just up and move to a less transport-fucktarded country