Speed tolerance reduced for December and January

**Dave-** · 10th January 2014, 18:16

Originally Posted by bluninja

At 60 mph you need less distance between the vehicles so you actually have more vehicles travelling in the same section of road...errr... that would make it more congested over the whole section of motorway. Though I guess the 70 mph down to 0 queue for a few minutes and then start increasing speed again makes it feel more congested at the point you stop. Still not a problem for bikes, they'll still be lane splitting at 80 and away from the gantry speed cams.

Throughput will be largely based on the speed-distance ratio.

**rastuscat** · 10th January 2014, 20:33

Originally Posted by swbarnett

We are not slaves. Just because some prat in power decides it's a good idea doesn't mean it is. It's high time TPTB (police included) got it throught their thick skulls that the ONLY way you will ever get complete compliance is when EVERY individual understands the reason behind the law and agrees with it.

It is the responsibility of Government to ensure that the laws are understood by the populace. And that those laws are in line with the stated reason for the law. When basic logic puts the lie to the stated reason, that law does not have a mandate to exist. In which case we, the populace, have a moral obligation to ignore said law when it is logical to do so within the reasoning behind that law.

Laws are for the obediance of fools and the guidence of the wise.

Cool. Get everyone to agree wirh you and you're on a winner.

Precisely because we cant all agree about most things we have these things called elections to select people to do our decision making for us. Its the Democratic process.

Its the real world, not some imaginary utopia where everyone gets their own way all the time.

Grow up.

**swbarnett** · 11th January 2014, 01:05

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Cool. Get everyone to agree wirh you and you're on a winner.

Yes, this is the ideal that is almost unacheivable in anything bigger than a small village. However, a tue democracy (not what we have in NZ) comes very close.

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Precisely because we cant all agree about most things we have these things called elections to select people to do our decision making for us. Its the Democratic process.

Wrong. This is not the process of a democracy. It's the process of a Parliamentary Democracy. A system of Government where a binding referendum is held for anything beyond what the MPs are to be served for lunch is a lot closer to a true democracy than the dictatorship we have in NZ.

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Its the real world, not some imaginary utopia where everyone gets their own way all the time.

Within the laws of physics, the real world is what we make it. Not what we're handed in a "take it or leave it" manner by a tiny minority in Wellington.

**Akzle** · 11th January 2014, 05:41

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Precisely because we cant all agree about most things we have these things called elections to select people to do our decision making for us. Its the Democratic process.

cool. i never voted for anyone to make decisions for me. democracy involves the consent of the governed - i dont consent....
so, by your own winning logic, i can do whatever the fuck i want, eh?

**Scuba_Steve** · 11th January 2014, 08:55

Originally Posted by Akzle

cool. i never voted for anyone to make decisions for me. democracy involves the consent of the governed - i dont consent....
so, by your own winning logic, i can do whatever the fuck i want, eh?

APPROVED!*

*providing it doesn't affect other innocents wanting the same

**angle** · 11th January 2014, 10:45

Originally Posted by Akzle

cool. i never voted for anyone to make decisions for me. democracy involves the consent of the governed - i dont consent....
so, by your own winning logic, i can do whatever the fuck i want, eh?

Well, this means that either democracy is not what you think it is or we don't have a democracy (which is not suprising as we don't even have a constitution and the head of state is a monarch).

**Akzle** · 11th January 2014, 11:03

Originally Posted by angle

Well, this means that either democracy is not what you think it is or we don't have a democracy (which is not suprising as we don't even have a constitution and the head of state is a monarch).

you don't have a democracy, the government was not constitutionally formed. they are defacto and illegal. look it up.
the UK crown abandoned NZ as a colony (and aus too) when there was some jew-up with the league of nations.
you can't sit at the league of nations if you're not a colony or a country. yet *somehow* (jews) both oz and nz continued to sit after being dis-colonied by "the crown" - giving defacto legitimacy to the (crown) government in NZ. then they changed it to the united nations and some banker jews swept it all under the carpet and enslaved the god fearing white world with an ursurious monetary system

and that, dear children, is the history of dumb crackers in 30 seconds with bob.

**rastuscat** · 11th January 2014, 17:25

Originally Posted by Akzle

cool. i never voted for anyone to make decisions for me. democracy involves the consent of the governed - i dont consent....
so, by your own winning logic, i can do whatever the fuck i want, eh?

You had the choice to vote, and you chose not to. By doing so, you exercised your democratic right.

**bogan** · 11th January 2014, 17:30

Originally Posted by angle

Well, this means that either democracy is not what you think it is or we don't have a democracy (which is not suprising as we don't even have a constitution and the head of state is a monarch).

Actually we have a representative democracy, which is shit. Now a direct democracy, that would be more interesting; and maybe even something old greenie fucktard could get behind.

**Akzle** · 11th January 2014, 17:43

Originally Posted by rastuscat

You had the choice to vote, and you chose not to. By doing so, you exercised your democratic right.

so, according to you, i dont have the right to make decisions for myself?

**Stylo** · 11th January 2014, 17:47

Originally Posted by rastuscat

You had the choice to vote, and you chose not to. By doing so, you exercised your democratic right.

It certainly can't be worse than the despotic regime held by mother Clark.

Truly the dark days in our history as a country.

**Scuba_Steve** · 11th January 2014, 17:49

Originally Posted by bogan

Actually we have a representative democracy, which is shit. Now a direct democracy, that would be more interesting; and maybe even something old greenie fucktard could get behind.

We don't even have that. At best you get to choose the lesser of 2 evils or which colour anal shaft you want for the next few years
We have nothing more than a party led dictatorship; "democracy" is no better than communism, it just involves more people & takes longer.

**roogazza** · 11th January 2014, 18:05

I wasn't thinking of Democracy today in Wgton's perfect weather. I did however try to keep the beast on 104 kph for a while,soon gave up on that and just enjoyed the morning's ride.
Couple of cigars,a flat white and home again by 1040am, with a fucking great smile on the dial.