Speed tolerance reduced for December and January

[chasio]

So, the 4km/h limit will apply for all of December and January according to this report.

Sure, don't speed and don't get a ticket. Fine. But holy fecking moly.

I am no speed merchant, but 5km/h over is trivially easy to achieve unless one masters chameleon eyes: one eye on the speedo and the other on the road.

Have any studies ever been done to find out whether a paranoid observance of speed limits actually causes accidents through diverted attention?

[Devil]

I just saw that and it still fucks me off. If they want to crack down on certain periods, how about double demerits instead of moving the darn goalposts when it comes to the speed they'll ticket for? Who ever thought of this idea is a fucking moron (or a revenue gathering genius).

[SMOKEU]

Reducing the speed tolerance will have no meaningful effect on the road toll if drivers still continue to drive like muppets. The real reason why the road death toll has been decreasing over the past few years is because cars have been getting safer, not because driver behaviour is improved. It's the typical "ambulance at the bottom of the cliff" approach that the NZ government seems so obsessed with for many of their policies, instead of tackling the root cause of the issue, which in this case is the fact that people just can't fucking drive properly. It's time someone with power actually had balls to start making a real change, not some bullshit anti speeding policy with no real benefit. FTP.

[HenryDorsetCase]

blahdeblahdeblah.

Here's what you do:

1. become an anarchist antichrist wildchild number one double hard bastard

2. remove number plate.

3. ride like you are in Mad Max (the first, good one).

4. Don't complain like a little bitch when someone handcuffs you to a burning truck.

[Scuba_Steve]

People need learn this is not about saving lives in any way shape or form, this is about making large amounts of cash moneys at the expense of peoples safety & after this "trial" expect to see it become the standard

[HenryDorsetCase]

One of my contacts is an economist. With a good masters degree from a prestigious overseas university. He said to me in conversation recently that as part of his review of ACC operations for the gubblemunt department that cannot be named but which is all seeing and all powerful, that "cars still cross subsidise motorbikes to the tune of 30% in spite of the recent ACC levy/registration increases since 2009". And yes that is after adjusting for the variables like cars taking out bikes because car drivers are fuckwits generally. So single vehicle accidents where the motorcyclist is "at fault".

I have asked him for the sauce of that information and he is checking whether he is able to provide it.

But the implication is clear: if you think motorcycle safety levy increases and thus registration costs have reached their peak, be prepared for another 30% rise, in the name of "fairness".

I have given up trying to debate ACC with the guy because we fundamentally disagree on first principles. My view is that Woodhouse Report should be the basis of the ACC scheme, and that it is entirely consistent with the "no fault" basis of that scheme that all road user costs fall to the one account. His view (which is the now-orthodox Gubblemunt view) is that it is perfectly acceptable for the road user account to be split by vehicle type and a full recoveryfrom each vehicle type. The "death from 1000 cuts" scenario in my view. Of course it penalises a small, and more dangerous road user segment. their answer is "So what?- you have to pay your fair share to play". The definition of that fair share is the issue.

Anyway, thought that was interesting.

[chasio]

People need learn this is not about saving lives in any way shape or form, this is about making large amounts of cash moneys at the expense of peoples safety & after this "trial" expect to see it become the standard

Aye, like Australia.

I didn't care too much on long weekends because, (a) I stay at home to avoid the numpties and (b) people might be able to concentrate on their speed a bit more for a few days, maybe. But once the novelty wears off this will just be kerching, kerching, kerching, kerching...

I would love to know if using a vehicle with paranoid attention on the speedo can contribute to accidents. My gut says yes, but I have nothing with which to back it up.

[_Shrek_]

dropping the tolerance to 4k's is not going to fix stupidity

[Gremlin]

Hah, we knew that was happening. Roll out on special weekends... give it some time. OK, couple of special months

... wait some time, OK, apply it all the time.

What's happened on the weekends? Some have been better with less deaths. Some of those were crappy weather, I was out and about and could see far less vehicles on the road. On the weekends where the result was worse? Oh, it's our fault.

[imdying]

Sure, don't speed and don't get a ticket.

It's getting more don't stop and don't get a ticket every day.

[rastuscat]

Yawn. Told ya this would happen.

So what? It's still totally optional to get ticketed.

Don't want to? Don't speed.

[Tigadee]

If they are reducing the tolerance, they should increase the speed limits... How about 120kph for highways and motorways?

And shouldn't they spend more energy on making roads better, rather than targeting motorists?

[Devil]

Yawn. Told ya this would happen.

So what? It's still totally optional to get ticketed.

Don't want to? Don't speed.

Thats great, but why arbitrarily move the tolerance? Heck, I wouldn't care if they left it at 5km/h - the issue I have is that it is different at different times of the year. Assuming the conditions allow I like to make the most time efficient progress possible on the open road - now I have to think whether its different tolerance time or not whereas before I would just *know* the boundaries.

[HenryDorsetCase]

If they are reducing the tolerance, they should increase the speed limits... How about 120kph for highways and motorways?

Its that already innit?

[Rhys]

I wish the police would focus more on poor driving, people holding up traffic (not pulling over) not indicating etc
I don't believe traveling at 110 on a straight section of motorway is dangerous