Orange Street Triple R on Akaroa Highway? (2 January)

[Katman]

There has at no stage been any debate in this thread, just varying levels of fail.

And that's the unfortunate thing.

78 members (yes, I've counted) have so far contributed to this thread. Many others have probably read it.

Let's assume that 75% of those posters are idiots.

That still leaves 19½ people who could have been having a serious debate about the pros and cons of wide cornering (maximising vision around the corner), versus placing the primary importance on placing yourself in a position of least risk (and greater avoidance options) while adjusting your speed to achieve that.

Sadly, I'm more getting the feeling that the system shouldn't be questioned.

[Madness]

Let's assume that 75% of those posters are idiots.

You're too generous.

[Katman]

You're too generous.

I'm an eternal optimist.

[pritch]

'The shop' is inferred but not stated.

I think you mean implied rather than inferred?

[Howie]

"Roadcraft" is a formal system used by police in the UK, NZ and elsewhere. IAM, RoSPA and others use the same system.

Unfortunately I’d be loath to link any advanced Driver/Rider training to any training that the NZ police do. Personally in the last 2 years I have had at least 3 Police vehicles pull out in front of me with no warning at all. By warning I mean no indicators or use of disco lights or sirens (they did give the classic indications that you can look for). One of them actually looked very guilty when I stoped about 6" from the driver’s door. They did the classic pull out. Oh shit something’s coming. Stand on the brakes. Stop in the middle of the road.(another one pulled left then did a U turn in front of me) In my opinion Police driving has got worse in the last few years if anything.

[bogan]

I think there is a separate forum started about cornering.

There's another forum for you too, it's all pink and everything

[Katman]

Didnt a couple of guys on bikes die a few years back when a cop Uturned in front of them too.

Wow, you're so incredibly mis-informed.

[Madness]

I think there is a separate forum started about cornering. This forum is all about safety and the debate over whether if you do a 2 year IAM course you will be a safer rider than those who dont.

This is a thread. It is one of many threads within the forum that is KB. This thread is all about an orange Street Triple R who was observed by a KB member riding the Akaroa Highway on January 2, 2014. One KB member (that would be you) has hijacked this thread all about an orange Street Triple R who was observed by a KB member riding the Akaroa Highway on January 2, 2014 and has taken it waaaaay off-topic by ranting about some delusional bullshit to do with cat food.

You should have listened to the voices in your head last night & just quit it.

[dangerous]

I think there is a separate forum started about cornering. This forum is all about safety and the debate over whether if you do a 2 year IAM course you will be a safer rider than those who dont.

NO... its not, its about a barvarian pig following a british 3 leged cat nicely around a corner... who can tell me which eats donuts and which eats IAMS

[bogan]

You lot are the delusional ones calling it cat food!!

Yeh guys, stop that right meow.

[Madness]

[blackdog]

[george formby]

And that's the unfortunate thing.

78 members (yes, I've counted) have so far contributed to this thread. Many others have probably read it.

Let's assume that 75% of those posters are idiots.

That still leaves 19½ people who could have been having a serious debate about the pros and cons of wide cornering (maximising vision around the corner), versus placing the primary importance on placing yourself in a position of least risk (and greater avoidance options) while adjusting your speed to achieve that.

Sadly, I'm more getting the feeling that the system shouldn't be questioned.

I guess those who could be having a serious debate feel no need to debate the obvious.
Seems like the rest are distracted by other things.
Ain't that always the way?

[ellipsis]

...my wife was following an orange sportster tonight on SH75...she was really, really impressed with his cornering abilities and smooth riding...she said that his skills made her all hot and horny and that she would probably 'give him one', if he asked her...I know this to be true because IAM that sportster rider...

[Gremlin]

I bet there would be very few schools that would require a time frame of 2 years to train a rider which would be a big plus for most looking for a riding school.

Sweet jesus. There is no time frame required, it's about an ongoing attitude and approach to continually strive to improve. Usually riders take 6-12 months to reach the advanced test standard, as an FYI. At the other end, a single day does not good training make. It's better than nothing, and would highlight any issues in your riding, but doesn't have a lengthy approach to correcting your riding and making sure you don't slip back into any bad habits.

That still leaves 19½ people who could have been having a serious debate about the pros and cons of wide cornering (maximising vision around the corner), versus placing the primary importance on placing yourself in a position of least risk (and greater avoidance options) while adjusting your speed to achieve that.

Sadly, I'm more getting the feeling that the system shouldn't be questioned.

Without the understanding of the entire system, explaining once piece would only get more questions on why this, why that. I really don't feel that paraphrasing an entire book into words is in anyone's interest. When members join, they get a small guide, a condensed version of the book, which is easier to digest than the entire book. Optional from there to read the entire book, but part of the material for Observers.

Actually when I was googling this website I noticed a death reported where a guy cornered wide and ended up dead as a result. So if thats IAMs gospel there is your proof they are not 100% right with their teaching.

Or you've still got the wrong end of the stick and proved you don't know the system. Unless of course, I ride to the system, go around a corner and don't die... hmmm. Probably magic... I've done probably close to 300k in a little under 9 years... so that's quite a few corners I've survived. Of course, I've only been risking my life cornering wide for a little under 2 years...