Orange Street Triple R on Akaroa Highway? (2 January)

[pritch]

Calling it a list seems something of an exaggeration, there's only one name on it but...


"This message is hidden because cassina is on your ignore list."

[chasio]

I was just attacking the claim about fast being safe when it reality is less safe.

Remember when the open road speed limit on a 6L was 70km/h? That speed was too slow to be safe. Even the gubbermint recognised this and increased it to 100km/h.

The higher speed limit is safer. Both in practise, and as legislated.

BTW, has anyone ridden a mokorbike recently?

[Katman]

Part of IAM, we obey all road rules, including speed limits.

Be honest, that probably only occurs on your group rides - where you're all secretly monitoring each other.

[raftn]

I had invited others to read post #807 in the Speed Tolerance Reduction Thread by Police Officer Rastus but no one has and if they did they are not brave enough to admit they are wrong with their thinking in this forum so here is a snipit of it for you to think over:

the speed that you travel at impacts others ability to judge your speed? And that the faster you go, the less the margin for anyones error?

If that is what IAMS taught him how on earth do others who believe in it think the opposite or think they are safe going fast as a result of passing IAMs Training ???

For fuck sake it's IAM not IAMS ... If you going to fucking insult it with your fucking ignorance could at least get the spelling fucking correct... Fuck me your a fuckwit.

[Racing Dave]

For fuck sake it's IAM not IAMS ... If you going to fucking insult it with your fucking ignorance could at least get the spelling fucking correct... Fuck me your a fuckwit.

...you're...

[Gremlin]

BTW, has anyone ridden a mokorbike recently?

A few minutes ago? Also, yesterday, and the day before...

Be honest, that probably only occurs on group rides - where you're all secretly monitoring each other.

When the IAM vest is on regardless of a group ride or 2-3 bikes, I'm representing IAM and everything it stands for, worked too hard towards it to be the one to bring it into disrepute.

I'll happily admit I'm no angel (most could admit to that), however, the system is still part of my ride every ride regardless of the speed and really, the only thing I do is usually do +10 indicated on any speed limit, so I'm somewhere in the grey/tolerance zone. During this 4kph period, I've actually tried really hard to stick at 100kph, I don't want a stupid ticket, but it's difficult in a winding road as my whole flow is more around 105-115 mark...

edit: Overtaking is quickly and precisely, even on observed rides. Bit of a grey area, and very much you know what you're doing, you know what the rules are (ie, a speeding ticket is possible), there is a realm of getting it done safely, and simply blasting past without observing all the other factors. Being on the wrong side of the road is unsafe, but then you'd be surprised, as often on open road sections we're doing back roads that are winding checking riders are riding to the system, with not a lot of passing opportunity either. There is also a process to overtaking, you need visibility ahead after completing the overtake etc, and this is also part of the observation.

[bluninja]

edit: Overtaking is quickly and precisely, even on observed rides. Bit of a grey area, and very much you know what you're doing, you know what the rules are (ie, a speeding ticket is possible), there is a realm of getting it done safely, and simply blasting past without observing all the other factors. Being on the wrong side of the road is unsafe, but then you'd be surprised, as often on open road sections we're doing back roads that are winding checking riders are riding to the system, with not a lot of passing opportunity either. There is also a process to overtaking, you need visibility ahead after completing the overtake etc, and this is also part of the observation.

First accident was an overtake, my process was good until something happened, then I neglected the process (pull in and reassess) just looked ahead saw it was still clear and continued the overtake straight into a tractor emerging from the opening on the right that wasn't in my original plan. Funnily enough I was overtaking a line of traffic at 10-15kph faster than them. Had I just wacked open the throttle and screamed past the line of traffic I would have got through unscathed (that time).

As for all this "fast and safe". If one has good visibility, good grip and is always able to stop in the distance that one can see on a 2 lane road, or half the distance on a single lane road then one can be both "fast AND Safe".

Increased speed reduces reaction time: agreed
Increased speed increase the stopping distance: agreed

However increased speed does not, of itself, reduce safety. Going so fast that one cannot stop within the clear road ahead given consideration to the surface and grip level ahead does.

[Gremlin]

Poster 1 defined the speed of the bike as fast and you are doubting that he was correct in his perception and I guess I am thinking he was assuming he was not a little kid sitting in the backseat
of dads car. I take your comment about about 100kmhr "Not Working" in a 25km corner as finally getting what I am on about.

I think we both agree our speeds in the 25 would be perhaps significantly different, and no, I don't know what you're on about.

You took poster 1's idea of fast and have run with it all thread long. The argument remains... one person's fast is not another person's fast, and just because someone says something/one is fast doesn't mean it's not safe. Plenty of slower riders out there who think anyone passing them are unsafe - much like everyone slower than me is an idiot, anyone faster than me is crazy. Without some sort of independent assessment nothing can be concluded.

But hey, let's have fun debating it

[James Deuce]

Here's a picture of a kitten, which will grow up big and strong if it is raised on an age-appropriate, specialist IAMS diet.

[bogan]

Here's a picture of a kitten, which will grow up big and strong if it is raised on an age-appropriate, specialist IAMS diet.

Look at him go though, even the kittens are now saying "let meowt of this thread"

[GTRMAN]

Be honest, that probably only occurs on your group rides - where you're all secretly monitoring each other.

Actually there is nothing secret about it, holding each other accountable helps to maintain the standard.

Isn't integrity defined as doing the right thing even when no one is watching?

[Katman]

Isn't integrity defined as doing the right thing even when no one is watching?

According to Gremlin, it's when he's wearing his IAM vest.

[Blackbird]

According to Gremlin, it's when he's wearing his IAM vest.

Disingenuous, Steve

[ckai]

For fuck sake it's IAM not IAMS ... If you going to fucking insult it with your fucking ignorance could at least get the spelling fucking correct... Fuck me your a fuckwit.

haha I was wondering when someone was actually going to spell it out in crayon for cassina. Personally I was just waiting to see how long it would take for the penny to drop...come to think of it. It still may not have. Let's wait and see.

[Hawk]

[QUOTE=James Deuce;1130659844]Here's a picture of a kitten, which will grow up big and strong if it is raised on an age-appropriate, specialist IAMS diet.

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I AM cat hear me purr