Optimistic sellers

[Crasherfromwayback]

Your obvious fascination with the National MP's private parts and pork is....disturbing to the point where maybe it's your half secret fantasy.

It's weird that despite me using said things the way I do, you've taken it as a fascination. Think that says more about you mate.

[jellywrestler]

It was also among first japanese 'monoshock' bikes.

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pretty embarrassing to crow about some thing that flying merkel did in about 1910, and others before really.

[Maha]

It's weird that despite me using said things the way I do, you've taken it as a fascination. Think that says more about you mate.

A lot of things fascinate me, it's quite a substantial list, but certainly no part of Judith Collins....and never twice in one day.

[Night Falcon]

I just keep seeing the same bikes. Listed forever. Not selling. Prices stay the same.

Was following all the DR's for sale on TM a while back. Kept details of what sold and what didn't (most of them).

Conclusions:
1. There are lots of DR's for sale at any given time
2. Folks expect to get out of the Charlie/Ewan midlife crisis they leapt into at little to no cost.
3. Most DR sellers have zero marketing nouse
4. Adding 2K of add on's to your DR wont get you a $500 off RRP sale price (even with only 1800klm on the clock...... its still 2nd hand)
5. A lot of DR sellers know better than purchasers about the value of their near new DR with 2K of extras and if they keep relisting the purchasers will come round
6. It is possible to sell a DR in under a week if you list it at an attractive price

Not sure if these findings are typical for other bike models

[AllanB]

Not sure if these findings are typical for other bike models

Nail it I think.


My favorite is the ones who list all the extras and the individual cost of the goodies.

You don't ever get that cost back.

Do it because you want to on your bike. Just don't expect to get the cost back. You are better off taking the goodies off, putting stock bits back and selling the bling on TM.

[mossy1200]

Not sure if these findings are typical for other bike models

My bike had a few buyers after a few days on listing here. One is still keen if the new owner doesn't collect as planned.
I probably made the mistake of asking what its worth.
Before I bought it a year ago there was one I considered in Hawera and offered him 3k
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...1154209219.htm

15 months later its still for sale

[Katman]

it was the ONLY bike of its day that was in production for over a decade unchanged...

Kawasaki's GT750 beat it's longevity by a long shot.

[GrayWolf]

Best re-read what I wrote - I said 'are they not one of the best examples of a robust ......' NOT 'they are not ..' as you have taken it. And yes I have ridden them but if looking for a collectors bike for future value (which was the start of this comment) I'd look somewhere else.

Bloody fine bikes but still nothing groundbreaking IMO to make them collectible.

Mono shock was out way before that model - Yamaha I recall had them on the LC two strokes, Kawasaki on GPZ's Honda Pro-link ......

Of that era the first model GSXR750 is collectible as a game changer.

My apologies. I did read that incorrectly.

Kawasaki first injected the KZ1000 in 1980. By the time my GPZ came along (after the GPZ1100B2), they had it well sorted. I owned that thing for years. Drag raced it, road raced it, and generally cause havoc with it. Went trouble free for ever. Coped with going from 1100 to 1170, from std exhaust to 4-1, airbox to none. Never missed a beat.

Yes well Lets say I do remember the H and the B1 injected...... maybe it was why I went the XJ route for a while.... but did go back to the big K with a ZL1000 and loved it.. except it handled like an articulated lorry

[Crasherfromwayback]

. but did go back to the big K with a ZL1000 and loved it.. except it handled like an articulated lorry

What did you expect of a drag replica?

[F5 Dave]

i did say one of the first 'monoshock'
Pete I remember, rode, rode with those GPz's..... nah mate cant agree they handled 'better' than the FJ... and that perimeter frame was ground breaking' for the Japs.... think the only other bike to use it then was the Bimota, if memory serves correctly.

Yeh the fuel injected kwaka's??? let's not go there huh??

1978 DT175 goes mono. For Japanese bikes thats earlier. And super common on the road when i was a lad.

[F5 Dave]

Good analysis Falcon.

I do wonder what purple H2 owner is thinking. Heck, many years later its taking up space, probably doesn't ride it, just bought it to tell people he has a widowmaker. But now the bike is idle instead of being used by someone who could enjoy it (and put some better looking pipes on it rather than those poxy ones, originals being hard to get).

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...1158680561.htm

I mean if it doesn't sell in the first five years, perhaps maybe you're asking too much. But no, continue extending the listing again and again for more years.
In 2030 it will be rare enough it will finally sell and he'll bore everyone saying. "There I told you". But they've all learned to avoid him.

[jellywrestler]

1978 DT175 goes mono. For Japanese bikes thats earlier. And super common on the road when i was a lad.

is this like the special olympics where the japs get a handicap?, the yanks did in 1910 vincent in the forties, one assembly two springs but still a mono unit, in paralell and yamaha in 1975
as for perimeter frames, a mate in fielding has a 1930's coventry eagle with that design

[F5 Dave]

You mean a bit like the equivalent of Bears racing?

[husaberg]

is this like the special olympics where the japs get a handicap?, the yanks did in 1910 vincent in the forties, one assembly two springs but still a mono unit, in paralell and yamaha in 1975
as for perimeter frames, a mate in fielding has a 1930's coventry eagle with that design

Pretty sure HRD/Vincent first did a real cantilever monoshock in about 1927.
straight rails like a Seeley mk4
Years behind the flying Merkel though.
The old FannyB bikes had a straight rail perimeter trellis as well in the 30's
Built like a bridge (a Bailey one)


Edit it was 1928 and two shocks

[jellywrestler]

Pretty sure HRD/Vincent first did a real cantilever monoshock in about 1927.
straight rails like a Seeley mk4
Years behind the flying Merkel though.
The old FannyB bikes had a straight rail trellis as well in the 30's
Built like a bridge (a Bailey one)

Edit it was 1928 and two shocks

there were many, some may have used two shocks in parallel, but effectivly a monoshock set up, matchless silver hawks and arrows are late twenties oh didn't John Britten use them too?