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**kazadi** · 30th August 2017, 15:48

at least they'll be out of first gear eh!

**HenryDorsetCase** · 30th August 2017, 16:49

Originally Posted by Drew

You want us to post videos of gp bikes crashing when the rider asks too much of them?

only if on a group ride

**nzspokes** · 30th August 2017, 17:44

Originally Posted by Ocean1

I think he's just pointing out that anyone that doesn't have an SDR chose..... poorly.

But how many SDRs make it through the warranty period?

I read a thread recently when I had thoughts of a GT that sounded like they are an endless problem......

**F5 Dave** · 30th August 2017, 19:21

Originally Posted by Drew

You want us to post videos of gp bikes crashing when the rider asks too much of them?

That straight line one at like 30mph, well that looked like it was asking too much.

**Ocean1** · 30th August 2017, 19:36

Originally Posted by nzspokes

But how many SDRs make it through the warranty period?

I read a thread recently when I had thoughts of a GT that sounded like they are an endless problem......

Dunno. It's a European motorcycle, in my experience the big KTMs generally match my expectations of reliability for that general class. Mine certainly has, in spite of the fact that it's a first model year machine.

But then my expectations are somewhat informed by the observation that quality is closely linked to quantity, and compared to cars the numbers for bikes are tiny, you're never going to get Toyota Corolla bulletproofness from any motorcycle.

**Drew** · 30th August 2017, 19:41

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

That straight line one at like 30mph, well that looked like it was asking too much.

I didn't see a straight line crash.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 30th August 2017, 19:42

Originally Posted by Ocean1

, you're never going to get Toyota Corolla bulletproofness from any motorcycle.

GS1000, GSX1100, GSXR1100, GSF1200/1250, Busa

XS1100, FJ1100/1200, FZR1000

Z1, Z1100's, GPZ1000, ZX10. ZXR1100/1200 etc etc...

**Drew** · 30th August 2017, 19:43

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

GS1000, GSX1100, GSXR1100, GSF1200/1250, Busa

XS1100, FJ1100/1200, FZR1000

Z1, Z1100's, GPZ1000, ZX10. ZXR1100/1200 etc etc...

Damn it. You beat me to it.

And I would have forgotten the Yamaha range.

**nzspokes** · 30th August 2017, 19:52

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Dunno. It's a European motorcycle, in my experience the big KTMs generally match my expectations of reliability for that general class. Mine certainly has, in spite of the fact that it's a first model year machine.

But then my expectations are somewhat informed by the observation that quality is closely linked to quantity, and compared to cars the numbers for bikes are tiny, you're never going to get Toyota Corolla bulletproofness from any motorcycle.

I own a 1250 TNAB. 20,000ks and no faults so far......

This is the thread. Scary.

http://www.ktmsmt.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=8584

**Ocean1** · 30th August 2017, 20:20

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

GS1000, GSX1100, GSXR1100, GSF1200/1250, Busa

XS1100, FJ1100/1200, FZR1000

Z1, Z1100's, GPZ1000, ZX10. ZXR1100/1200 etc etc...

Maybe should have stuck with "European motorcycle"

.

Been friends with some of those, Suzukis in particular are mostly pretty reliable from what I've seen, but Toyota really are streets ahead.

The only thing that pisses me off about Suzuki is the finish is often not quite there. Fork chrome failure, shit like that.

**Ocean1** · 30th August 2017, 20:25

Originally Posted by nzspokes

I own a 1250 TNAB. 20,000ks and no faults so far......

This is the thread. Scary.

http://www.ktmsmt.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=8584

Didn't read it all but it don't sound good. Interesting that most of it seemed to be the new electronics, mostly don't apply to mine.

Couple of things, though. That level of failure isn't actually that rare, in fact for non-Jap stuff it's common as fuck.

Also: try googling "product name + problem" and see what you get.

**onearmedbandit** · 30th August 2017, 20:26

Originally Posted by Drew

Exactly. But no Ducati clutch sounds nice like that. They sound like a bike running without any big end bearings installed

10 f'ing blah

**Owl** · 31st August 2017, 06:56

Originally Posted by nzspokes

But how many SDRs make it through the warranty period?

Maybe not too many, but then what is acceptable? Under warranty, I had a fork seal, front brake rotors and rear hub needle bearing replaced. Clocked 50,000km the day it turned two and now at 56k.

Still grinning.