Optimistic sellers

**T.W.R** · 13th April 2018, 17:16

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

And "stupid questions wont be answered and daft comments wont be tolerated." Not sure what'll happen if you make a daft comment but...I'm very tempted to find out.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/mot...e954fc452c3895

Originally Posted by jasonu

After looking at all the other rubbish on TM this one looks to be reasonably priced, especially if it is a proper S model.

You wouldn't want to be asking Russell silly Qs to his face

he's got a firecracker temper lol
HDC has already gone down the numpty track
And it's a real one

**malcy25** · 13th April 2018, 17:32

Originally Posted by jasonu

After looking at all the other rubbish on TM this one looks to be reasonably priced, especially if it is a proper S model.

Hey Malcy how about this one.?
Reasonable or rip off?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Yamaha...53.m1438.l2649

The bike is known to me a little bit elsewhere - another forum- and seems quite genuine. Is an early bike that has been modded in period, by a well known name. 50k kiwi plus landed costs is possibly not bad. May be a little high though once landed and paid shipping and GST etc. Depends on what you want. It will never be the handler of the later bikes (or mine given it’s not old!). Fairly original spec bikes like that without the monoshock conversion in the uk have been 35-40k pounds sterling. The guy knows what it worth, but I am not sure if he knows a lot about TZ750's. See how high it looks in the front? The stock setting is 25mm of fork protrusion above the top triple clamp.....this is flush.

Any 750 early or late will always be worth the price of admission when you ride one. I’ve been scared every time time I ride one and have ridden 4 now!

They do command big money for an old bike. BUT......bonkers is a good word. They sort of defy the laws of physics the way they go. Craig Ditchburn was clocked at 281km/h in Jan on his at Phillip Island. That's pretty impressive for an early 1970's design and and aero dynamics, plus still only 750cc. The big 4 strokes that did that speed were close on 1300cc and only a couple of them

**malcy25** · 13th April 2018, 18:11

Originally Posted by Grumph

You may be right about OW rods - I really can't remember. The WSB rules said that any kit rods had to be the same material as what the bike was homologated with.

The early kit valves for the OW stretched like buggery. By the time the WSB circus got to NZ, most of the OW's had stainless aftermarket valves fitted. One local - who shall be nameless - still had kit valves in and was chasing valve clearances every day of the meeting. The pits installed for the WSB round had very nice benchtops of 6 X 4 dressed cedar beams. To get the very thin shims needed for the stretched valves, our man was hammering them into the benchtop and using a disc grinder to thin them...You can imagine what the bench looked like.
Easily fixed - before going home, they pulled the beams off the bench frames and turned them over....

I remember the RC30 superbikes always seemed quite measured and "perfected"....whereas the OW01's were very "raw". they backfired, snorted and seemed hard out in comparison. Made me want to buy an OW01, especially when Scot Buckley passed me at Ruapuna in open practice before the 1993 GP meeting , laying a black stripe.....

**Drew** · 13th April 2018, 18:32

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Yea
And "stupid questions wont be answered and daft comments wont be tolerated." Not sure what'll happen if you make a daft comment but...I'm very tempted to find out.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/mot...e954fc452c3895

Dunno what your problem is. That's good buying right there.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 13th April 2018, 18:35

Originally Posted by Drew

Dunno what your problem is. That's good buying right there.

That's because you're fucking thick. Did I say there was a fucking problem with the fucking price? No? That's right. But, (and you know, I've been selling bikes for a while now) if you wanna sell your bike, be nice.

PS: Cool story.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 13th April 2018, 18:57

Originally Posted by T.W.R

And it's a real one

Bike looks good, and I've always wanted one. But a Blue/White one thanks. And if he's a mate of yours, might pay for you to tell him to lighten up on the add a lil.

**HenryDorsetCase** · 13th April 2018, 19:02

Originally Posted by T.W.R

You wouldn't want to be asking Russell silly Qs to his face

he's got a firecracker temper lol
HDC has already gone down the numpty track
And it's a real one

Honestly I would buy it tomorrow except I am skint having just bought the CB750. The last one of these on tardme looked as tidy as this but was a tarted up E.... not cool.

Wonder if he wants my GS550 and $5 and a bag of chips.

At least he isnt in dreamworld like the man with the $100k XR500 (or whatever outlandish number it ended up at)

**Grumph** · 13th April 2018, 19:22

Originally Posted by malcy25

I remember the RC30 superbikes always seemed quite measured and "perfected"....whereas the OW01's were very "raw". they backfired, snorted and seemed hard out in comparison. Made me want to buy an OW01, especially when Scot Buckley passed me at Ruapuna in open practice before the 1993 GP meeting , laying a black stripe.....

I made him put all 6 disc mounting bolts in each side, LOL. For some reason all the OW and most of the TZ owners thought they could leave out half the mounting bolts that season. I passed word along to the other Nat scrutineers to try and stop it.
The OW will sound raw - 52 deg of advance will do that. Mo Haley told me never to use an OW kit ignition box in an FZR sidecar engine. They tried it in the Agip chair and apparently nearly detonated it to a standstill. The FZR1000 has two peaks in the advance curve - 46 and 48 degrees. The OW uses more advance than that...I always thought it was poor turbulence in the 5 valvers at certain RPM made it necessary to be that agressive. The bigger valves and cams in the OW just made the problem worse.

Did you ride at the Wigram meeting between Nat rounds where Tony McMurdo's 600 on nitro embarrassed the 750's ?

**husaberg** · 13th April 2018, 19:45

Originally Posted by malcy25

Re the OW, yeah, nah. Have had an OW in the garage for 9 years and it is very different beast to the FZ and FZR. The motor may have a lot of external / visual commonality but that's about it really. The OW bears more history to the YZF F1 racer they built around 87/88. The OW01 motor in fact was the basis for a lot of the YZF750SP. Grumph I think said they had steel conrods - not looked inside mine, but pretty sure Ti Valves and Rods factory fitted.

Purchase price of the OW in the UK was 50% MORE than the RC 12500 pounds verses 8000 but the OW race kit was very cheap in comparison as there's was little in it. cams, pistons, ign box, tail pipe. Whereas Honda race kit was monty.

In fact there was a great story on superbikeplanet a few years agoi about Vance and Hines blowing a big hole in the crankcases on the dyno on one when they went past 150hp. They rang the factory and said, what gives, we broke a rod. The factory said "how many HP?", Vance and hines tell them. Factory goes "ahh, san, we only build the rods good for 150hp, there's your problem!"

I also believe there's also a lot on misinformation around the OW01 build numbers. Fact is they are way less than the RC30 which I think are circa 3500. The OW's are more like 2000. They were built 89-92 - 4 years. the last ones had different carbs I think - FCR's or something. Not totally sure, but I think more like 500 per year.

I have the RZ/RDLC/RZV 500 production numbers at home as a result of a formal request to Yamaha. They built more RZV's (alloy frame / domestic market) than anything else....the standard RZ like we had here 84/85 were less.

I've done about 5000km on my OW (almost all at track days) and while I don't have a lot of modern large bike time lately, the chassis is pretty flash to ride.

With regards to Homologation specials, the Ducati's were very much more a version of the road bike Ie 851/888/916 with cams and suspension upgrades more like the R1M and CBR Sp2 Hondas etc of late. The OW and RC are VERY different beasts to to the road based 2nd cousins ( FZ and VFR respectively) and while are just a "4 cylinder jap bike" to some people are very much the real deal specials.

Neat stuff, So did the OW still have the Poxy small Front axel that Yamaha for some reason had in that era going back to the RD250. ie 15mm.
With the original 851 they built it as a race bike and then turned it into a road bike to be fair to Ducati. the TRi colours had a race kit . but The SP had different gear ratios different injection systems twin injectors as well. different crank.
For the build numbers I just went with what was on the net.

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Bike looks good, and I've always wanted one. But a Blue/White one thanks. And if he's a mate of yours, might pay for you to tell him to lighten up on the add a lil.

Crasher assuming hes reading this. should have a blue book if they still do those that might give an impartial value of all the RC OW NR CBX RG500 and RZ500s.

**T.W.R** · 13th April 2018, 19:51

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Bike looks good, and I've always wanted one. But a Blue/White one thanks. And if he's a mate of yours, might pay for you to tell him to lighten up on the add a lil.

He isn't a mate by any means just crossed paths & horns a couple of time via his brother. The tone of the ad pretty much reflects him....I could tell you a few stories of his antics but wont air them here....just think winja

Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase

Honestly I would buy it tomorrow except I am skint having just bought the CB750. The last one of these on tardme looked as tidy as this but was a tarted up E.... not cool.

Wonder if he wants my GS550 and $5 and a bag of chips.

At least he isnt in dreamworld like the man with the $100k XR500 (or whatever outlandish number it ended up at)

I saw it and thought the same...any other point in time I would've grabbed it plus a couple of other bikes that a currently on TM but situation dictates otherwise and I've 3 bikes I've got think about moving soon so any more would just make it a logistical nightmare.

I've been watching the Z13 in town and keeping a eye on Classic Zed's electric blue one too but he's wanting way too much

I see that 82 600 Pantah in town hasn't taken long to get a bid placed on it, I'd even consider that if things were further along onpersonal level even if I would look like a gorilla on a tonka toy

He's clearing things out as the big lad upstairs is chasing him

just recently got rid of his Mustang etc

Yeah that dropkick with the XR was just waving his dick scouting for hand jobs

**AllanB** · 13th April 2018, 19:51

$5K for that Suzuki was good buying I reckon.

I lusted after them when young.

**F5 Dave** · 13th April 2018, 20:33

Originally Posted by malcy25

The bike is known to me a little bit elsewhere - another forum- and seems quite genuine. Is an early bike that has been modded in period, by a well known name. 50k kiwi plus landed costs is possibly not bad. May be a little high though once landed and paid shipping and GST etc. Depends on what you want. It will never be the handler of the later bikes (or mine given it’s not old!). Fairly original spec bikes like that without the monoshock conversion in the uk have been 35-40k pounds sterling. The guy knows what it worth, but I am not sure if he knows a lot about TZ750's. See how high it looks in the front? The stock setting is 25mm of fork protrusion above the top triple clamp.....this is flush.

Any 750 early or late will always be worth the price of admission when you ride one. I’ve been scared every time time I ride one and have ridden 4 now!

They do command big money for an old bike. BUT......bonkers is a good word. They sort of defy the laws of physics the way they go. Craig Ditchburn was clocked at 281km/h in Jan on his at Phillip Island. That's pretty impressive for an early 1970's design and and aero dynamics, plus still only 750cc. The big 4 strokes that did that speed were close on 1300cc and only a couple of them

If only. I can but dream

here I come big teezeed!