Hi-viz is an idiotic fad

[Headbanger]

Meanwhile at my place of work we put tiny yellow flashing lights on quite large 50t yellow excavators so we don't accidently miss them.

Hi-VIS WORKS.....if your looking for hi-vis. If your not looking then who gives a fuck really?, Nothing is going to make a lick of difference, and fuck the government trying to tell people how to dress.

Should be able to ride down the road in my wife's nightie if I fucking wanted to.

Doubt the wife would to impressed, But that's her hang up not mine.

[Headbanger]

And as long as any large earth moving machines have little flashing lights on them I won't hit em.

[Berries]

Should be able to ride down the road in my wife's nightie if I fucking wanted to.

Doubt the wife would to impressed,

She was fine when I did it 15 seconds after you got home last night.

[swbarnett]

Hi-viz vest with reflective taping must stand out in the darkness as a better option than just black. Indisputable.

Very disputable. Especially when you consider the context in which it is worn. Hidden behind a fairing, dual plus 90 headlights and top box while hunched (even slightly) over the bars will remove any (questionable) benifit.

[Trade_nancy]

Very disputable. Especially when you consider the context in which it is worn. Hidden behind a fairing, dual plus 90 headlights and top box while hunched (even slightly) over the bars will remove any (questionable) benifit.

Still doesn't mean it is not a better option - certainly can't be less safe - just means it is limited by application. Could be better for riders of naked bikes sans top boxes. Better for faired bike riders even - if sans top boxes and not needed for Harley riders at all...they have tassels to make themselves visible.

[Trade_nancy]

yes I do

Char

Ok I forgot - I do have scientific proof then.

[swbarnett]

Still doesn't mean it is not a better option

It really boils down to a cost-benifit analysis. For the truly paranoid amongst us the benifit outweighs the cost. For those of a more realistic disposition the benifit is not worth the cost.

- certainly can't be less safe

It can if the wearer is lulled into a false sense of security and lowers their level of situational awareness as a result. Then there's target fixation to be considered. And the type of background you happen to be in front of.

At best the jury is still well and truly out.

- just means it is limited by application.

Exactly. Even if there is a small benifit it depends on the type of riding one does.

Could be better for riders of naked bikes sans top boxes. Better for faired bike riders even - if sans top boxes and not needed for Harley riders at all...they have tassels to make themselves visible.

This, of course, is the perfect argument for keeping the wearing of hi-vis voluntary.

[Headbanger]

She was fine when I did it 15 seconds after you got home last night.

Shes cool like that.

[skippa1]

Ok I forgot - I do have scientific proof then.

Show me yours and I will show you mine

[schrodingers cat]

If you want to make sure people see you then give them time to see you. Don’t come flying over the brow of a hill at 90mph or overtake a bus at 60mph in a 40 limit and scream at the guy that pulled out of a side turning thinking he could make it before the bus reached him. Think ahead, be cautious, consider your road positioning, visualise worst-case scenario and make sure you have an exit plan. Put yourself in the other guy’s shoes and don’t trust to these idiotic canary outfits.

Its always worth reading to the bottom of the article hmmm?

[Kawasakidude]

When I get back on my bike, I will be joining the Hi-Viz brigade.

Now I should note I think HiViz will make me look like a member of the village people which is not appealing, however my logic is this:

If I can stack the cards in my favour as much as possible with ensuring that I am seen, then ultimately I will be better for it.

The alternative is for the government to legalise Bike-mountable RPGs, which would I am sure increase the average drivers vigilance for Bikes....

Hahahaha This made my night

[swbarnett]

http://www.otago.ac.nz/wellington/otago033316.pdf.

Just started reading this study. I got as far as this Motorcyclists have been shown to be 23 times more likely than car drivers to be involved in a crash causing fatalities/injuries in New Zealand. Something that has been disproven time and time again. This and other bits in the first few pages show without doubt that the authors are pro hi-vis. Even then they couldn't come up with any definitive answer.

[strandedinnz]

Nice chap decided the spot where I was riding would look much better with his 4x4 in it :-(

Still after a little meeping (really need an air horn!), gesturing at myself and the retina burning fluro/hiviz waterproofs I was wearing and a little revving of engine he twigged that the spot was not vacant, panicked and swung back into the other lane almost munting the car that he was overtaking ... interestingly he must have got a fright as well since he never tried to catch up or overtake me (I'm not on a fast bike, over a hundred on a DRZ and your fillings fall out)

So where is the slot to insert coin to continue ? I want more lives!

[Trade_nancy]

Show me yours and I will show you mine

You couldn't handle that truth!

[jamesfry]

I hate hi-viz makes absolutely no difference. I ride 20,000 miles per year and have nearly been T-Boned many a time when actually wearing my very very bright icon hi viz waterproof over jacket. Which incidentally is the best looking of all the hi viz crap out there.