Police conducting on the spot vehicle inspections

**kiwi cowboy** · 21st February 2014, 18:09

Originally Posted by FJRider

There ... fixed it for you.

All police are NOT aware of all legislation (as it is written in legislation) so get over it. If you can't be bothered with due process to correct the mistaken (or otherwise) belief/actions of an Officer ... that's your issue.

In most cases ... the "Don't agree" part is NOT about innocence ... merely about being caught. Often with a facet of legislation not often prosecuted ...

hey I didn't agree with the speeding ticket I got a while back because I was watching the road coming around a corner and over a rise and my speed crept up but I paid because I WAS doing the speed.

What I don't agree with is a cop writing a ticket without knowing the law on that particular subject which costs the posably innocent motorist in time and expense to fight it in court so ether way the pleb loses.

**FJRider** · 21st February 2014, 18:48

Originally Posted by kiwi cowboy

What I don't agree with is a cop writing a ticket without knowing the law on that particular subject which costs the posably innocent motorist in time and expense to fight it in court so ether way the pleb loses.

If you refer to the Christchurch member on the 650 dirt bike riding within the LAM's reg's .. as I recall ... no ticket was issued.

Sad fact ... argue with plod to waste their time for stopping you ... and they will make every effort to waste Yours ...

**kiwi cowboy** · 21st February 2014, 19:09

Originally Posted by FJRider

If you refer to the Christchurch member on the 650 dirt bike riding within the LAM's reg's .. as I recall ... no ticket was issued.

Sad fact ... argue with plod to waste their time for stopping you ... and they will make every effort to waste Yours ...

No I may have worded it wrong and im trolling a bit any

way.

I was referring to my previous post with the small crack.
If the cop wanted to he could ticket the person and waste there time having to get it fixed or getting a warrant inspection when its only arrrrrrr fuck it I pissed now and cant concentrate

**FJRider** · 21st February 2014, 19:47

Originally Posted by kiwi cowboy

No I may have worded it wrong and im trolling a bit any

way.

I'm glad you know what you think you mean ... I however ...

Originally Posted by kiwi cowboy

I was referring to my previous post with the small crack.
If the cop wanted to he could ticket the person and waste there time having to get it fixed or getting a warrant inspection when its only arrrrrrr fuck it I pissed now and cant concentrate

And he had NO reason to stop you ... right .. ???

**Brian d marge** · 22nd February 2014, 00:08

If I get my bike inspected by the plod , I want a sticker , and im not , should not, need/get another sticker from Alcoholic Anonymous

User pays

If I use the plod , AA can go begging

Stephen

**Jantar** · 22nd February 2014, 13:45

Originally Posted by R650R

.....Another driver I know argued a few km/h over a ticket and kept mentioning his GPS, nek minnit they downloading his GPS and 300 odd infringements, lucky for him a technical error saw case thrown out in court...

The "technical error" was downloading his GPS without a search warrant. Unless they have reasonable cause to suspect an offence has been committed, they have no right to download any GPS without permission. Once GPS evidence is submitted in court, they do have a right to examine that evidence, but not to go fishing in case there is some other offence that might be discovered.
However, remember that if you do intend to use GPS evidence in court, you should mention it at the time of receiving the ticket, and note the exact GPS time and location. This is to give the police the assurance that GPS evidence isn't made 5 minutes after the alledged event.

**rastuscat** · 23rd February 2014, 14:07

This has wandered a bit, and I haven't read it all.

Whats the big deal? When I got the job in 1988 I was expected to check all the things they are talking about now as a matter of course. It was expected, as part of my job.

Now it's a big deal when cops are expected to check your tyre tread condition.

WTF?

**FJRider** · 23rd February 2014, 15:06

Originally Posted by rastuscat

This has wandered a bit, and I haven't read it all.

Whats the big deal? When I got the job in 1988 I was expected to check all the things they are talking about now as a matter of course. It was expected, as part of my job.

Now it's a big deal when cops are expected to check your tyre tread condition.

WTF?

Was that in the day when "Things" were Black and White ... ??

A few people can't get their head around the idea that the WOF declared that vehicle "Safe" at the time of testing. And should it be found/known to be unsafe ... it is illegal to continue to use it.

They may even be aware the tread is a little low ... or one of the brake lights isn't working ... or ...

But the sticker says ...

**rastuscat** · 24th February 2014, 16:42

The behaviour of some of our fellow road users has led to skepticism about the value of the WoF.

Like, a young car enthusiast takes his Cefiro with double overhead grease nipples to get a WoF. Flys through.

Then he goes home and changes the wheels, the doors, the muffler and anything else that makes his ride cool.

A cop stops him for having tints too dark, and for racing slicks etc, and the kid whines "But it just got a new warrant".

The cop has learned that a WoF is worth anything only when it is issued.

So thats how we got to where we are today.

**pzkpfw** · 24th February 2014, 16:51

Originally Posted by rastuscat

The behaviour of some of our fellow road users has led to skepticism about the value of the WoF.

Like, a young car enthusiast takes his Cefiro with double overhead grease nipples to get a WoF. Flys through.

Then he goes home and changes the wheels, the doors, the muffler and anything else that makes his ride cool.

A cop stops him for having tints too dark, and for racing slicks etc, and the kid whines "But it just got a new warrant".

The cop has learned that a WoF is worth anything only when it is issued.

So thats how we got to where we are today.

Yeah, I've had my car tyres (and stuff) checked at random Police stops since forever; even back when a teenager (in the 80's) and stopped for just aimlessly driving around town and getting noticed. (Never been found to be in un-WOF'd condition).

All I would personally want to see is "discretion".

e.g. catch boy (or other) racer with car as described in your post - issue them a ticket.

e.g. catch Joe Public with way out bald tyres with bits of steel wire showing - issue them a ticket.

e.g. catch Joe Public with a tyre they should have noticed, but really it's just below spec and would have been fine at last WOF time - issue them a warning to go get it replaced.

Softly softly on the small stuff.

Have you ever ticketed someone for a blown brake light? (I would guess not, unless they were an arse or you'd met them before.)

**Tazz** · 24th February 2014, 17:05

Originally Posted by rastuscat

The behaviour of some of our fellow road users has led to skepticism about the value of the WoF.

Like, a young car enthusiast takes his Cefiro with double overhead grease nipples to get a WoF. Flys through.

Then he goes home and changes the wheels, the doors, the muffler and anything else that makes his ride cool.

A cop stops him for having tints too dark, and for racing slicks etc, and the kid whines "But it just got a new warrant".

The cop has learned that a WoF is worth anything only when it is issued.

So thats how we got to where we are today.

It it more the direction of focus that annoys me. So many things that get swept under the rug or you get the impression that some officers just can't be arsed dealing with, but you can guarantee they will have time to ticket you for rolling through a stop sign or doing 5k over the speed limit.
Not saying traffic enforcement and Police presence on the road doesn't keep some people in check and probably save a few lives, but there are other duties that could have the same results if given even half the attention, or at least get more public back on side which in itself potentially helps solves crime doesn't it?

**BoristheBiter** · 24th February 2014, 20:09

Originally Posted by Tazz

It it more the direction of focus that annoys me. So many things that get swept under the rug or you get the impression that some officers just can't be arsed dealing with, but you can guarantee they will have time to ticket you for rolling through a stop sign or doing 5k over the speed limit.
Not saying traffic enforcement and Police presence on the road doesn't keep some people in check and probably save a few lives, but there are other duties that could have the same results if given even half the attention, or at least get more public back on side which in itself potentially helps solves crime doesn't it?

So what you are saying is you don't think the police should have discretion then.

**Tazz** · 24th February 2014, 20:37

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

So what you are saying is you don't think the police should have discretion then.

Eh? WTF has discretion got to do with being to lazy to deal anything other than what is required as an absolute minimum performance? Pretty sure cops would have fark all paper work for traffic infringements these days, but I can't say I have first hand knowledge of the process to be fair.

I'm meaning cases that get handed from officer to officer, particularly car theft, where they have an actual lead, as in a name, an address and a warrant, evidence from a wrecker, and they don't do anything for two years and then ring and say it is to late to do anything.
That I can say I have knowledge about and there is some major spanner in the system to let that kind of crap happen.